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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of relational theory, particularly its application to organizing data sets and its philosophical implications regarding order in the universe. Participants explore mathematical relations, partial orders, and their relevance to understanding reality, while seeking resources for further information.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that items in a data set can be paired to introduce order, questioning how this concept applies to the universe.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the validity of applying relational theory to the universe, labeling it as potentially meaningless and suggesting it may stem from a dubious source.
  • Some participants reference mathematical concepts such as relations and partial order relations, providing links to resources that may clarify these ideas.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how mathematical relations and posets could bring order to the universe, indicating a possible misunderstanding of the original concept.
  • Another participant comments on the societal emphasis on order, contrasting it with chaos theory, suggesting a philosophical perspective on the topic.
  • A chemist participant acknowledges difficulty in articulating their thoughts on relational theory and seeks more information on its application to understanding reality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the validity and applicability of relational theory to the universe, with some expressing skepticism while others seek clarification and further resources. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and assumptions regarding relational theory and its implications. Some participants express confusion about the original claims and the mathematical concepts involved.

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Items in a data set or group are divided into pairs with specific relationships between each pair. In this way a degree of order is introduced into the set. I understand this can be done with the entire universe but where do I find out more?? Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
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This sounds extremely bogus. I would go back to the source that told you that "this can be done with the entire universe". The 'this' as you describe it, is mathematically meaningless.

Seems like some some crackpot theory has been proposed to you by someone trying to take advantage of your open-mindedness.

Or else, 'this' was part of a religious sermon...
 
jcsd,

how do relations and posets bring order to the universe ? I had a sneaking suspicion all along, that I had just misunderstood Jack. Really, I couldn't tell jack about what he'd written. :wink:
 
Gokul43201 said:
jcsd,

how do relations and posets bring order to the universe ?

If you have to ask, you'll never know...
 
Order is mans biggest pitfall. Everything in our western society is concerned with order. It really boggles people when you tell them about chaos theory. hehe
 
jcsd said:
Well there are such things as 'relations' in maths:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Relation.html

And there are such things as partial order relations:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PartialOrder.html

Though you haven't expressed it very well, it sounds like this is what you are talking about.

Dear JCSD,

Thanks for your comments and links. Sorry I couldn't express it any better. I am a chemist! I google searched Relationship theories and found they are used to organise computer databases but this was not what I was after. Wikipedia defines Relational theory as a framework to understand reality and this is close. How do I find more??

JA
 
Gokul43201 said:
jcsd,

how do relations and posets bring order to the universe ? I had a sneaking suspicion all along, that I had just misunderstood Jack. Really, I couldn't tell jack about what he'd written. :wink:


Gokul,

Thanks for your reply. Wikipedia says Relational theory is a framework to understand reality or a physical system I need more of this but don't know how to find.

JA
 

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