Projectile Motion with Air Friction: Parabola or Not?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the trajectory of a projectile when air friction is considered, specifically whether the resulting path remains a parabola. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical modeling of projectile motion with air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there is no closed form exact solution for projectile motion with quadratic air resistance, suggesting the use of numerical methods or approximations.
  • Others mention that a closed form solution may exist for cases where air resistance has a linear dependence on velocity.
  • Several participants argue that the trajectory will not be parabolic when air resistance is taken into account.
  • One participant discusses the equations of motion under air resistance, indicating that the solutions involve exponential functions rather than quadratic forms.
  • There is a question about the applicability of the quadratic formula in this context, with responses indicating that it is not suitable for finding the trajectory with air resistance.
  • Another participant suggests using a forward Euler scheme to handle the nonlinearity in the equations of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the trajectory remains parabolic when air resistance is considered, with multiple competing views on the nature of the solutions and the methods to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of the equations involved, the dependence on the type of air resistance (quadratic vs. linear), and the challenges in deriving a closed form solution. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical complexities.

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How can I find the trajectory of a projectile when not neglecting air friction? Will it still be a parabola?
 
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1. There is no closed form exact solution to this problem if you assume that the air resistance has a quadratic dependence on the velocity.
(You'll need to use either numerical methods or smart approximations)
2. You may find a closed form solution in the case of a linear dependence in velocity of the air resistance.
3. No, the curves will not be parabolas.
 
But how can I use the quadratic formula to find the trajectory?
 
What quadratic formula?
 
no you can't use quadratic formula, since the path taken by the projectile will not be parabolic.
 
Are you talking of solving for the trajectory with qudratic dependency of velocity in air resistance?
If so, use for example a forward Euler scheme with a standard iteration loop to handle the nonlinearity
 
kishtik said:
But how can I use the quadratic formula to find the trajectory?
You dont.
Without air resistance the equations are:
[tex]m \frac{d^2 x}{dt^2} = 0[/tex]
and
[tex]m \frac{d^2 y}{dt^2} = -mg[/tex]
these can be solved by integrating both sides twice(the intitial height and initial velocity are functions of the constants of integration). The solution for x is linear in t and the solution for y is quadratic for t.
with air resistance(proportional to the velocity) the equations are:
[tex]m \frac{d^2 x}{dt^2} = -k \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
and
[tex]m \frac{d^2 x}{dt^2} = -k \frac{dx}{dt} - mg[/tex].
If you solve these you will find exponentials turning up in the solutions, and neither x nor y is quadratic in t. The solution is
[tex]x=A+Be^{-kt/m}[/tex]

[tex]y=C+De^{-kt/m}-\frac{mg}{k}t[/tex]
The initial position is (A+B,C+D). The xcomponent of the initial velocity is -kB/m. The y component of the initial velocity is -kD/m - mg/k. It is somewhat difficult to find y in terms of x, but it can be done by using logarithms as follows:
[tex]x-A = Be^{-kt/m}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{x-A}{B} = e^{-kt/m}[/tex]

[tex]ln(x-A)-ln(B) = -kt/m[/tex]

[tex]-\frac{k}{m}(ln (x-A) - ln (B)) = t[/tex]
now all that's left is to substitute this in the solution for y, to obtain
[tex]y=C+D\frac{x-A}{B} +g(ln (x-A) - ln (B))[/tex]
This clearly is not a parabola.
 

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