Health Care Reform - almost a done deal? DONE!

WhoWee

And now the Liberals own it - let the chips fall...

turbo

Not just liberals. Independents who feel that corporations are a bit too free with denials and recissions. If your property insurance carrier got an alert that your house was on fire, and called you and cancelled your coverage, only agreeing to pay part of the claim that might have been due before the whole place was destroyed, you would be outraged and demanding heads on pikes. Health insurance companies do this every day. Come down with a cancer that might be expensive to treat? You are dropped like a hot potato, and you are so financially disadvantaged that you have no way to fight them.

Get a clue. If your house catches on fire, and your insurance company gets wind of it and abruptly cancels their contract with you, you would be livid. The same thing happens every single day when people get sick. That fastest way to make money is to refuse to pay claims. Pure profit.

Char. Limit

Of course the military is socialist!
Socialism isn't about inability to tear down a government agency or the military... That's not what defines a socialist agency.

MotoH

Recall the Red Army. They were pretty BA. Communists too!

lisab

David Frum has a very thoughtful blog that is ostensibly about the health care bill, but ends up diagnosing a big problem the Republicans have:

It's worth a read.

WhoWee

The Liberals own the legislation.

turbo

Picked it up earlier, Lisa. He's spot-on. I hope enough idiots get purged in the next few election cycles so that actual conservatives might work up into the party. I'd like to have a rational choice at election day. I was so damned Republican for Goldwater and Reagan (1st time) that my father wanted to disown me. After Reagan's first term (during, actually) I swore off both of the major parties. They will get nothing from me. Even if I was really fired up about a national candidate, whatever I could afford to contribute would be an election-campaign non-event.

Nebula815

No one is saying EVERY service must be private-sector. But MOST should be. We should NOT have a 50/50 split.

And being local and state government is a lot different from the national level. With national, it gives the national government a lot more power, the power becomes far more centralized.

You like your local and state police, don't you? Now how would you respond if the government decided to create a United States National Police Force? No more local police, no more state police. Now all police officers are under the federal government. Sounds rather dictator-like to me.

Services that are better provided by government, we keep them decentralized and local and state level for a reason. Only ones that absolutely must be centralized, like the military, do we let the national government control (and even that has its own state-level National Guard units for defense of the homeland).

Nebula815

turbo-1, it is fine to disagree and have opinions, but please (BTW this is meant politely, not any command) stop referring to tea party people as teabaggers, that is like calling Iraq War protesters anti-American.

During the Bush years, dissent was the highest form of patriotism. You were a redneck blinded idiot if you just blindly supported Bush. Yet now with Obama, it's like we're all just supposed to hold hands and if anyone DARES organize protests against his big leftwing agenda, they are nothing but racist, redneck teabaggers.

Also how are you a fan of Goldwater but support Obama (talk about two opposities!!)

Char. Limit

This is how the left-wing thought... and they were right... from their perspective. To the right-wing perspective, the patriots are the ones organizing protests against Obama, and the traitors were the ones organizing protests against Bush.

And since both terms are subjective, both sides are right... from their perspective.

I sound like a complete idiot, don't I?

Nebula815

Intelligent right-wingers may have disagreed with protestors, but in no way regarded them as traitors. Yes you will have a few whackjobs in every group, there were some truly anti-American nutjobs among some of those war protesters as well, did not make all the war protestors anti-American or anything.

I would think the Obama-supporting Left would more have the attitude of, "We respect they're right to organize and protest, but we disagree with their claims for XXX reasons."

Instead, they have been called everything from teabaggers to Nazis by Democrats.

Nope.

Brian_C

Obama forgot to tell the ignorant masses that his "reforms" will result in higher premiums for middle class Americans as insurance companies absorb the costs of covering millions of previously uninsured people. There is a reason that insurance companies drop people with pre-existing conditions. This stuff is enormously expensive, and that expense will be passed along to everyone else. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Brian_C

The liberal "FDL Action" website has written a pretty damning indictment of the health care bill. They note that this legislation will not prevent medical bankruptcies, and will impose major costs on families making as little as $66,000/year.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/201...lth-care-bill/

This stuff isn't right-wing propaganda. There are very serious problems with ObamaCare.

Gokul43201

Do you have a reliable independent study supporting that assertion (and how many "middle class Americans" are you talking about: 100 or 100 million)? The last CBO analysis on premiums, from Nov 30, says that most people will see a decrease in costs. I don't believe they've redone that analysis more recently.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...premiums-and-/

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc...0-Premiums.pdf

WhoWee

If anyone pays less, it will be because YOUR taxes subsidized them. Premiums will increae otherwise due to mandated coverage of (high risk) pre-existing conditions and removal of maximum lifetime payouts. The costs to the insurance companies WILL INCREASE - SO WILL PREMIUMS.

MotoH

Gokul, where do you think this money will come from? Us middle class citizens will get raped through the nose in the coming years.

4-6 years of taxes before we see any benefits? Just another way for the government to try and make money under the guise of health care.

drankin

So, now that 30 million more people have insurance, does this mean there will be more patients or just that their medical bills will be paid by everyone else?

If both, aren't we going to need another 500,000-1,000,000 more doctors and supporting staff?