Green's functions solution to Poisson's eqn (or something similar)

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The discussion revolves around finding a Green's function to solve the Intensity Transport Equation (ITE), specifically in the context of applying Neumann boundary conditions. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the equation, which involves the Laplacian operator and intensity gradients.

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Main Points Raised

  • Bob expresses difficulty in finding a Green's function for the ITE and specifies the need for it to satisfy Neumann boundary conditions.
  • One participant questions the meaning of the variable z in the context of the equation, seeking clarification on its dimensional relevance.
  • A suggestion is made for a potential Green's function in the form of G = -1/(4π|r - r'|), though it is presented as a guess.
  • Another participant advises calculating the Green's function for the 2-dimensional problem while noting that the form depends on the coordinate system and basis functions used.
  • Several participants reference the known Green's function for the Poisson equation, highlighting its relation to electrodynamics and the Dirac delta function.
  • There is a distinction made between the Green's function in three dimensions and its form in two dimensions, indicating that they are not the same.
  • One participant expresses a desire to compute the Green's function using the Fourier Transform Method, indicating challenges with this approach.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific Green's function to use, and multiple competing views and suggestions remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions underlying the choice of Green's functions, the specific dimensional context of the problem, and the methods for computation, particularly with the Fourier Transform.

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Yikes!

I am having a problem finding a Green's function to solve the Intensity Transport Equation (ITE).

The ITE is nabla^2 * phase = -k/I0 * dI/dz

Where phase is a function of (x,y) as is I the intensity. k and I0 are constants and dI/dz is the partial derivative of I with respect to z.

I am measuring the whole of the RHS of the equation in one fell swoop, so I just need a Green's function to solve nabla^2 * phase = Constant, so I can retrieve the phase from an intensity gradient I have calculated.

Can anyone help? The Green's function needs to satisfy Neumann boundary conditions with G( (x,y) , (x',y') ) being defined by it's Laplacian.
ie. Nabla ^2 G = dirac (r - r').

Anyone know any good Green's functions or how to implement them?

I'm turning a little Green here!

Many thanks,

Bob
 
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[tex] \nabla^2 \phi(x,y) = - \frac{k} {I_0} \frac {dI(x,y)} {dz}[/tex]

hmm yeah, sorry, I really have no idea what you are talking about but thought I would clean it up a bit. :-p

What is z? the z axis? or the xy plane?
 
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How about something like [tex]G = \frac{-1}{4\pi|r-r'|}[/tex]? Just a guess.
 
Start by calculating the Green's function for the 2-d problem using the Neumann boundary conditions. ) I would write it here, but I just moved halfway across the country and stil do not know where all of my notes are hidden away in my basement.) After finishing that, use it to integrate the non-homogeneous side of your equation. The form of the greens' function depends on the coordinate system and the basis functions used, so blindly writing a function is not the answer.

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The green funtion for poisson equation is in fact the one given by Lonewolf.
You can get it by comparison with the known equation of electrodynamics:
[tex] \nabla^2 \ \frac{1} {|r-r'|} = - 4 \pi \delta(r-r')[/tex]

By the way, anyone knows how to combute it by the Fourier Transform Method? I am having a hard time with it...
 
Magister said:
The green funtion for poisson equation is in fact the one given by Lonewolf.
You can get it by comparison with the known equation of electrodynamics:
[tex] \nabla^2 \ \frac{1} {|r-r'|} = - 4 \pi \delta(r-r')[/tex]

By the way, anyone knows how to combute it by the Fourier Transform Method? I am having a hard time with it...

But that's true only in 3 dimensions. In 2, the Green functions is totally different.
 

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