Aether and sub-atomic particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electrons, their potential composition, and the concept of Aether or dark energy as a foundational structure for matter and energy. Participants explore theoretical implications and connections between matter and energy, as well as historical perspectives on Aether.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the composition of electrons, suggesting that if they cannot be broken down, there must be an origin or foundational structure for them.
  • Another participant notes that Aether is a 19th-century hypothesis that has been largely dismissed, but acknowledges that the original poster's ideas may have merit.
  • A participant clarifies their use of the term Aether, indicating they meant a form of energy or dark matter that could serve as a foundational structure for matter and energy.
  • One participant states that an electron is a point charge, implying a lack of internal structure.
  • Another participant describes the electron as a fundamental particle in the Standard Model, asserting it has no internal structure, but also introduces a speculative view of electrons as strings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of Aether, with some dismissing it while others propose alternative forms of foundational energy. There is no consensus on the nature of electrons or the relationship between matter and energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical experiments and hypotheses, indicating a reliance on past understandings that may not align with current scientific consensus. The discussion includes speculative ideas that are not universally accepted.

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Does anyone really know what an electron is made of? Theoreticly it can't be broken down so there is nothing to make it out of. Logic says it must have an origin and if it does then there must be something to create it from. Even if there were you would have to reach a point of infintesimal matter where there is nothing to support so small a structure.
The same thing can be said of energy. It can be measured but not identified as a thing. The Aether and dark energy explains this phenomenom to some extent but not fully.
Matter can be converted into energy and vice versa so there must be a connection. I think, and don't hesitate to squelch me if I'm terribly wrong, but I think they are fundimentally the same thing. Matter is vastly more dense then energy and even the tiniest amounts of matter hold enormious energy potential. Matter simply could be a stable, relitevly unmoving, state of energy. If the universe is blanketed in dark energy could not the fluctuating fields of this energy have a similar effect as a black hole and collapse in on itself, forming a sud-atomic particle of matter? This could explain vacuum matter, along with other various phenomenons. Matter can be thought of as energy incarnate, to put it very crudely.
Please tell me what you think of this? PLease!
 
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Not sure whether people still talk about Aether. I know this stuff as a 19th century hypothesis for the medium light propagates in. It was shown that it does not exist. As for the rest of your ideas, I think you're on a good track.
 
Maybe I was using the term Aether wrongly. What I meant was the hypothosis that the universe is blancketed in some form of energy or dark matter. Whether it is the same as the Michelson experiment or not I do not know. I do know that Michelson continued to believe that the Aether existed even though his experiment failed.
Whether or not it is the Aether or something else entirely, such as dark matter, there must be some foundational structure from which all forms of matter and energy originate.
 
an electron is a point charge.
 
an electron is a fundamental particle in the Standard Model, this means it has NO internal structure...

Looking on a deeper level though an electron (or the energy corresponding to it's restmass) can be seen as a string. But this vision is still specumative to some level...

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marlon
 

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