Does the type of matter a neutrino passes through affect its flavor probability?

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The discussion revolves around whether the type of matter a neutrino passes through influences its flavor probability. Participants explore theoretical implications, experimental observations, and historical context related to neutrino detection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the type of matter (e.g., rock vs. air) could affect the flavor probability of neutrinos.
  • Others argue that neutrinos do not have a color and see no reason for flavor dependence on the material they pass through.
  • It is mentioned that neutrinos interact only via weak forces, and their interactions with matter are extremely rare, with estimates suggesting one interaction in a billion.
  • One participant describes the historical context of neutrino detection, noting that early detectors used heavy water and that electron neutrinos interact differently than muon or tau neutrinos.
  • Another participant corrects a previous claim about the first neutrino detector, stating it was a tank of cleaning fluid that produced radioactive argon atoms upon neutrino interaction.
  • Some participants reference the "neutrino paradox," suggesting that results from different detectors indicate neutrinos fluctuate randomly among their three flavors, with detection probabilities being roughly equal.
  • There is a challenge regarding the characterization of argon as radioactive, with a participant questioning the validity of that claim based on argon's properties as a noble gas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of matter type on neutrino flavor probability, with no consensus reached. Some support the idea of flavor independence from material, while others suggest potential dependencies.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of neutrino interactions, with some statements remaining speculative or based on incomplete information.

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What do people think of the idea that the type of matter a neutrino passes through can affect it's probability of being a certain flavour/colour.

eg, through rock it is more likley to be one colour,
through air it is more likley to be another colour.
 
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Neutrinos don't have a color. I don't see any reason the flavor should depend on the material its passing through.
 
neutrinos do not interact with mass. Electron neutrinos, tau neutrinos and muon neutrinos are all non interacting neutrinos that pass through matter with no effect. Maybe one neutrino in a billion will interact and this interaction will be very small.
 
Neutrinos interact only with the weak forces, which is why they don't interact much at all. Since they have no charge, they cannot interact with the electromagnetic fields, nor with strong forces. They are said to interact slightly with electrons. The first detector that was built to detect neutrinos used heavy water as a way of detecting them. When a neutrino would hit the deterium, the neutron would be transformed into a proton and separate from the hydrogen (also a proton). This in turn would release a flash of light which can be detected using photo-multiplier tubes (PM tubes). I believe that this kind of detection only works for electron neutrinos, but doesn't work for muon or tau neutrinos. Out of a whole day of detecting using that detector, only about 5 or 10 neutrinos interacted to cause a flash of light.
 
ArmoSkater87 said:
The first detector that was built to detect neutrinos used heavy water as a way of detecting them. When a neutrino would hit the deterium, the neutron would be transformed into a proton and separate from the hydrogen (also a proton). This in turn would release a flash of light which can be detected using photo-multiplier tubes (PM tubes).

this is not the firs neutrino detector. The first one was build usin a large tank of [tex]{C_2}{Cl_4}[/tex]
the neutrinos would come into the tank and interact with the cleaning fluid by making radioactive Argon atoms in the tank. This is how they measured how many neutrinos passed though. The heavy water neutrino test came a lot later.
 
And if I recall correctly from my (admittedly shallow) researching of the "neutrino paradox", results from both detectors agree with the idea that neutrinos fluctuate randomly, and the chances of detecting one in any of the three states is roughly equal;1/3. This would seem to suggest that the type of material used to detect a neutrino does not effect the probability of that neutrino being in anyone of the three potential states.

Far from conclusive, but it's the only evidence we have, AFAIK.
 
Nenad said:
this is not the firs neutrino detector. The first one was build usin a large tank of [tex]{C_2}{Cl_4}[/tex]
the neutrinos would come into the tank and interact with the cleaning fluid by making radioactive Argon atoms in the tank. This is how they measured how many neutrinos passed though. The heavy water neutrino test came a lot later.

Alrite, agreed. Although i don't see how Argon could in any way be "radioactive"...its a nobel gas with not such a large atomic number.
 
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LURCH said:
And if I recall correctly from my (admittedly shallow) researching of the "neutrino paradox", results from both detectors agree with the idea that neutrinos fluctuate randomly, and the chances of detecting one in any of the three states is roughly equal;1/3. This would seem to suggest that the type of material used to detect a neutrino does not effect the probability of that neutrino being in anyone of the three potential states.

Far from conclusive, but it's the only evidence we have, AFAIK.

I believe you recall correctly. I recall something similar...scientists were detecting 1/3 of what they expected, which lead them to believe that they were detecting only one of the 3 flavors.
 

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