Did Hawking Solve the Black Hole Information Paradox?

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The discussion revolves around Stephen Hawking's recent ideas regarding the black hole information paradox, exploring whether information that falls into a black hole is ultimately lost or preserved. Participants discuss the implications of Hawking's theories, the historical context of the paradox, and the ongoing debates within the physics community.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in finding Hawking's latest paper or speech regarding the information paradox.
  • One participant mentions that Hawking's previous stance was that information is lost when a black hole evaporates, which contradicts the principle of unitarity in quantum physics.
  • Another participant summarizes Hawking's new idea, suggesting that information may be preserved by analyzing black holes from a distance and using path integrals to consider contributions from various spacetime geometries.
  • There is mention of the no-hair theorem, which states that a black hole is characterized by only three parameters: mass, charge, and angular momentum, leading to concerns about the loss of information.
  • Some participants note that Hawking has not yet published his proof, and there is anticipation regarding its content and implications.
  • There are differing interpretations of Hawking's claims, particularly regarding whether information escapes from black holes or is modified in its journey to the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of Hawking's ideas, and multiple competing views regarding the nature of information in black holes remain. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty and debate within the physics community.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding Hawking's theories due to the absence of published proofs and the complexity of the concepts involved, including the nuances of unitarity and the implications of the no-hair theorem.

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I heard Hawking gave a speech and theory and how the information paradox regarding black holes can be resolved.

I am unable to find any information on this, and will be extremely grateful if someone were to summarise or post a link to a paper regarding this.
 
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I want to add that I still have not seen his paper ! He gave several talks, out of which other people have been able to solve the "paradox" which actually never was one.

see "Black holes conserve information in curved-space quantum field theory", gr-qc/0407090 for instance.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0407090
 
Thanks for the info. Am supposed to do a research paper on this 'paradox'... sigh.
 
Depending on the level, some people might help you here :wink:
I am not doing research in this field, just interested. If you have a specific question, somebody should be able to answer, at least a (super)Mentor
 
Hawking's Speech

Here is the problem, as Hawking saw it in the past: Things fall into a black hole, and once they pass the event horizon, they are out of communication with the outside world, and the information in them in unavailable, although it hasn't been lost to the whole world, since it still exists inside the horizon. But now, the black hole emits Hawking radiation and loses mass. Hawking had proved that the radiation was "thermal", or "uncorrelated", meaning that it contains no information beyond its temperature.

Eventually the black hole loses all its mass to this non informational radiation and vanishes, and at that point all the information that went into it is completely lost. This might not seem important to many, but it really bothers quantum physicists, for whom unitarity is a prime directive. Unitarity is the principle that information is conserved in all physical interactions; if it fails some of their key math won't work.

This is where things stood for maybe 20 years. But now Hawking comes out with a new idea and says maybe the information is eventually preserved after all. His idea, based on some recent work in string physics, is that we should analyze the black hole from far away, and use the techniques of adding up all possible physical contributions from varying geometries of spacetime to see what happens in the far future. The technique was first thought up by the famous physicist Richard Feynmann, and is called path integrals or sum over histories.

In this sum there will be contributions from simple geometries where the black hole never formed, plus contributions from spacetimes that do have the black hole. And you have to add them up. But now Hawking says he can prove that the part of the sum with a fully formed black hole just dies out, and never reaches the far furure. So the sum in the end only includes the contributions from no-black-hole universe states. And thus the information will reach the far future, possible modified, but not lost.

Hawking has not published his proof yet, and everyone is waiting to see it.

Some things I have seen that I think misrepresent him:
1. The black hole never forms. He didn't say that; he said it has no physical effect on the physics passing from far away to far in the future.

2. The information comes out of the black hole again. He didn't say that either. He said it arrived at the future in possibly modified or distorted form.

You have to understand that by staying far away from the black hole, he essentially winds up saying that the future can't SEE the black hole, even if it formed, and the future CAN see the information, whatever happened to it in between.
 
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If I can dare adding something to sA's post :
the story began with the no-hair theorem : a static spherical black hole is totally determined by only 3 parameters : mass, charge and angular momentum. This was later generalized to more realistic black-holes (especially, we expect them to rotate). That is all the information needed : 3 numbers ! Throw Shakespeare's antology, you get only 3 numbers out of it ! That's a loss :rolleyes:
 
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I see. That summary is so much more easy to the ear than his actual speech.
 
Xenorelic said:
I see. That summary is so much more easy to the ear than his actual speech.
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Making fun of disabled persons is bad :devil:
Then of course, it's really fun :-p
 

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