Vortex Breakdown: Significance in Airplane Design

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The discussion centers on the concept of vortex breakdown and its significance in airplane design, particularly in relation to vortex shedding and its effects on aircraft performance and safety. The scope includes theoretical aspects of fluid dynamics as well as practical implications for aviation operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the breakdown of a vortex and its relevance to airplane design.
  • Another provides background information on vortex shedding, explaining its occurrence over an aerofoil and its historical significance, such as its role in the Tacoma Narrows bridge failure.
  • A participant distinguishes between vortex wake and wing tip vortex, specifically addressing the "vortex breakdown" phenomenon on delta wings, which is influenced by the Reynolds number.
  • There is a clarification regarding the terminology, with one participant acknowledging confusion between "vortex breakdown" and "vortex burst."
  • A link to additional resources is shared to aid in understanding the topic further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some confusion regarding terminology, particularly between vortex breakdown and vortex burst. There is no consensus on the definitions or implications of these terms, and multiple interpretations of vortex behavior in relation to airplane design are present.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of terms related to vortex dynamics and the specific conditions under which vortex breakdown occurs, such as the influence of the Reynolds number.

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does anyone know what's breakdown of a vortex. what is its significance in airplane design?
 
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<background vortex information>
When fluid flows over an aerofoil as with air over an aeroplane's wings, a phenomenon known as vortex shedding occurs. This can be observed (in a wind tunnel) as a series of vortices coming off the trailing edge of the wing. A vortex will appear in a clockwise direction from the upper surface, then in an anticlockwise direction from the lower surface, and this cycle repeats itself. Vortex shedding caused the failure of the famous Tacoma Narrows bridge, - the frequency of vortex shedding matched the natural frequency of the bridge.
</background info>

Now, to answer your question. The issue of "vortex breakdown" involves the amount of time it takes for these vortices to settle down after an aircraft has passed through the air. If another aircraft passes through the same air before the vortices have subsided the following aircraft can experience severe turbulations. This is the reason that ATC allow a set time between aircraft taking off on the same runway (and not for collision avoidance!).
 
i guess you are confused between vortex wake and wing tip vortex. what i was asking is the "vortex breakdouwn(burst)" phenomenon on delta wings which is dictated by reynold number.
 
Ah, vortex burst, sorry, was confused by the term "breakdown".

Perhaps this link may prove useful:

http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class93/schaeffl/vortex.html
 
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thanx it is useful
 

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