Is premerital SEX immoral

Prometheus

A comedian! How nice. Are you hoping that I think that you are serious? Of course not.

In this case, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you think that you do, get into details, rather than being so vague.

Your use of generalizations instead of specifics relegates your statement into the realm of meaninglessness. Why not be specific, if you want to be taken seriously.

Rather than ramble with your cute-to-you generalizations, present the specific case in which you think that I was mistaken, and explain why.

jimmy p

Sex is immoral. Please leave the relevant body parts at the door.

BoulderHead

Saint, didn't you post numerous times seeminly to bash some element of Christianity? It seemed that way to me, so now I'm thinking it was actually an expression of internal conflict prior to 'conversion'. Am I off target here? Anyway, warm regards.
-BH

Gokul43201

Please keep in mind that PF is not a place for you (Saint) to go about preaching your religious beliefs.

enigma

You are treading a very fine line here, Saint.

PF stopped hosting religious topics because you and others felt it necessary to talk down to everyone who didn't agree with your particular dogma.

Let's give this preachiness a rest, shall we?

Saint

Without referring to religious scripture, how can one define Morality?

Monique

Easy, just look at people who do not follow a religious scripture: they still have moral values.

Saint

Can you explain why do we need moral values? Just to avoid doing harm to people?

Monique

Morals are about social standards, you've got norms and values.. now what was the difference between the two again.. confused.. (our prime minister keeps hammering on the subject).

Prometheus

Try any dictionary. All of them that I have seen define morality without any religious overtones, let alone religious scripture.

arildno

You have it backwards, Saint:
When adhering to religious scripture, it is you who are amoral.
To adhere to scripture because it is religious, that is by not doing something (or doing something) because a reputed God has said so, is equivalent of saying, that in the final analysis, whatever humans may feel about your action/inaction, is IRRELEVANT.

However, morality is precisely about constructing rules on the basis of "how humans feel about it"

You're the amoral one, the atheist might be moral.

Prometheus

Excellent point.

fisipavia

Morality is related with the good and bad actions (ACTIONS not RESULT). I can be atheists and still know that to kill someone else is bad, then I can have a perception of morality without depending on a religion

Now that you ask... the problem with your perception is that as you know there are a lot of cultures and religions. In your case you can think that the people that don't act as your religion says are immoral but probably for them you are the immoral one.


If you are really interested in the theme I recommend you to read the work of the philosopher Kant. It is very interesting since he was the first one in notice that if morality is based on religion or culture then there is no universal morality...so in practice morality was relative and none of them was always right. He published a work staying that the universal morality should be the one that is product of a rational process of what is right. It is not moral to do something just because you want to but it is moral to do the thing that you know that is right even if you are not so interested in doing so, or even if it can harm you. If you act with good-will then you act morally. For him a moral law should be universal, you know, as laws are universals in science, if it is applied in one situation it should be applied in all situations. For example if you think that you should be free of having your owns ideas or religion without being persecuted or have your ideas constantly questioned by others...then the moral thing is for you to not attack or question the ideas or religion belief of others.

I recommend you to read his work. Even if it is old I think that he got it right... well at least I have always thought like him and was surprise that I agreed with almost everything that he says.

Saint

I think we can do a survey by interviewing the porn stars, ask them whether they enjoy SEX? I believe, having been indulged in Sex so often, they can't enjoy sex anymore, moreover, they Suffer for Sex.

Gokul43201

Yeah...let us know once you've done that survey.

They Suffer for Sex, so that all future Sex may go to Heaven.

humanino

Saint : I recently had sex with two lesbians (out of which I will never marry any) and one of them is a porn actress. I am telling you : she enjoys sex more than anything else. She does not suffer. She just earns money with it.

Give up Saint. You won't convince anyone here.

humanino

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