Does Knowing Everything Eliminate the Need for God?

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The discussion explores the philosophical question of whether knowing everything would eliminate the need for God. It encompasses theoretical and conceptual considerations, with participants examining the implications of omniscience on the existence and role of a deity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that knowing everything does not negate the need for God, as there may still be aspects of existence and understanding that require divine insight.
  • Others argue that if one could learn everything, they would essentially become God, raising questions about the nature of existence and the need for a deity.
  • A participant points out that learning everything is impossible due to inherent limitations in knowledge, such as those illustrated by principles in physics.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that even with complete knowledge, the act of creation or doing still requires a God-like entity to execute those actions.
  • Some participants reflect on the relationship between knowledge and the past, suggesting that a connection to a creator or God is necessary for understanding one's origins.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between knowing everything and making sense of everything, with acceptance potentially playing a role in the need for God.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether knowing everything would eliminate the need for God. Multiple competing perspectives remain, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various philosophical and theological implications without resolving the underlying assumptions about knowledge, existence, and the nature of God.

canopus
Learning Everything...

When we learn everything, do we still need a God?
 
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Yes, so we can be told when there's nothing left to learn.
 
You would still have to learn what God's thinking.

If you can do that then you still have to learn what it's like to be God.

Then you have to learn everything that will happen in the future for the entire universe.

If you can do all that then you are God.

Then you still need a god (yourself) in order to exist.
 
It seems we have a lot to learn.
 
Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks--those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest.

Friedrich Nietzsche
"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

Just thought it'd be appropriate :)
 
since not all people, perhaps none, would have the knowledge of everything, many would probably still "need" god...
question is more whether or not we "need" him today...
 
Learning everything is impossible

take simple physics for example you can't know the the speed and location of something at the same time.
 
Tom McCurdy said:
Learning everything is impossible

take simple physics for example you can't know the the speed and location of something at the same time.

??

I can tell you the exact speed and location of my car right now...
 
canopus said:
When we learn everything, do we still need a God?
Sure. Why not?

Pete
 
  • #10
this is analagous to asking if we learn eveything from our dads/moms, do we still need them. i think yes. they are our link to the past; where we came from. we cannot move forward if there is no past or a strong backround at that. if we learned eveything and if we didn't need God because of the fact, we would return to our starting position of ignorance beacuse if there is no God, then there is nothing.
 
  • #11
If we know everything about how God runs the universe, stellar formation, gravity, everything, we still need him to actually DO the stuff. If you know every single detail about your car and how it works, including all of its systems, and you want to drive it, you still need the car to do the work. Brainwaves or knowledge can't really DO anything, they must be applied.
 
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canopus said:
When we learn everything, do we still need a God?

I don't know, why do you think we need God?
 
  • #13
i think that if this was indeed possible and eventually it happened then we would in effect collectively be God-like. For if we knew everything, we could hypothetically do everything God is able to do in time. Then would we still need him/her/whatever? who knows? how would you even ever know that we truly now know everything?
 
  • #14
Knowing everything is not the same as making sense out of everything. For that you require acceptance. Whether acceptance requires a God or not just depends upon your beliefs.
 

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