What is the inverse image of an open set with multiple conditions?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the inverse image of an open set under a specific function, particularly focusing on the conditions that define the inverse image. Participants explore the implications of the function's continuity and the nature of the open sets involved.

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  • One participant questions how the inverse image of the open set {t|t<1/2} relates to the conditions {t|t>=1/2 or t<1/4}.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the definition of inverse image and the specific function being referenced, sharing a personal experience related to misunderstanding the term.
  • A participant suggests that the function in question is likely not continuous, as an open set can have a non-open inverse image unless certain conditions on the domain are met.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the specific function involved, which is defined piecewise, and its implications for determining the inverse image.
  • One participant concludes that the inverse image of {t|t<1/2} includes values of t that are either < 1/4 or >= 1/2, based on the function's behavior.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the continuity of the function and the definition of the inverse image, indicating that multiple interpretations and clarifications are present. There is no consensus on the implications of the inverse image or the conditions under which it is defined.

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Participants note that the function's continuity is a significant factor in determining the nature of the inverse image, and the discussion highlights the need for clarity on the function being analyzed.

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Why is the inverse image of the open set {t|t<1/2},
{t|t>=1/2 or t<1/4}?

the t>+1/2 sort of makes sense to me, but can't seem to grasp how t<1/4 is an inverse image
 
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What do you mean by inverse image?? A set has an image or inverse image under some function. What function are you talking about?

(My first week in grad school, I was called upon to do a proof in class about "inverse image" of sets. I completely embarrased myself by assuming that, since the word "inverse" was used, f must have and inverse function!)
 
one thing seems clear, the function will not likely be continuous, since an open set has a non open inverse image (unless the domain is a little special).
 
HallsofIvy said:
What do you mean by inverse image?? A set has an image or inverse image under some function. What function are you talking about?

(My first week in grad school, I was called upon to do a proof in class about "inverse image" of sets. I completely embarrased myself by assuming that, since the word "inverse" was used, f must have and inverse function!)

http://www.csh.rit.edu/~pat/math/papers/topology/topology.pdf

At the end of section 3.2 on Multipilication of Paths, they speak of the inverse image of the open set I mentioned earlier.

I suppose the function is the step function y=2t when 0<=t<1/2
and y=0 when t>=1/2

Thanks for the replies
 
Yes, and it specifically refers to the inverse image under a given function. In particular, the function of the problem you are referring to (on page 5 of your reference) is :
&tau;&sigma;(t)= 2t if 0<= x< 1/2
0 if x>= 1/2
and notes that this is not a "path" because it is not continuous (as mathwonk pointed out from the given solution). (&tau;(t) and &sigma;(t) were defined separately.)

We really need to know that before we can answer your question!

Now, what is the inverse image of {t|t< 1/2}?
That is, what are the values of t such that &tau;&sigma(x)< 1/2?

Well, certainly 0< 1/2 so all t> =1/2 qualifies.
In order that 2t< 1/2, we must have t<1/4. That is certainly less than 1/2 so it fits the formula.
f(t)< 1/2 as long as t is either < 1/4 or >= 1/2 as claimed.
 
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing up.
 

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