Unveiling the Mysteries of Dark Objects

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The discussion revolves around various types of "dark objects" in astrophysics, including B. C. Lacertae objects, dark ball lightning, and solar flare loops. Participants explore the mechanisms behind these objects' ability to emit or absorb electromagnetic radiation across different wavelengths, as well as their observed "dark" phases. The conversation touches on theoretical implications and observational challenges related to these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe B. C. Lacertae objects and their flat spectrum, suggesting they may emit across a wide range of electromagnetic radiation.
  • There is mention of dark phases for certain objects, such as dark ball lightning and dark solar flare loops, raising questions about their mechanisms.
  • One participant humorously compares the absorption of light by these objects to black paint on a stealth fighter.
  • Another participant notes that a perfect black body absorbs and emits electromagnetic radiation at all wavelengths.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of a "dark ring object," with one participant asserting it was a smoke-ring, questioning its mysterious properties.
  • Sunspots are introduced as another class of dark objects, with one participant mentioning a newly discovered type of dark object on the Sun that behaves differently during flares.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and properties of dark objects, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms behind their behavior or the implications of their observations.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of "dark" and "light" in the context of astrophysical phenomena, and there are unresolved questions regarding the observational evidence for certain types of dark objects.

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"Dark Objects"

Some objects emit electromagnetic radiation over the entire spectrum, from radio waves to X-rays. Solar flare loops, quasars and, the most amazing are, B. C. Larcertae Objects which display an extremely flat spectrum. This is not just broad band syncrotron radiation. Ball lightning and similar ring like objects have also been reported to emit a pure white light (but not in every case, it might be added).

If this weren't strange enough the same types of objects seem to have a "dark" phase. Dark ball lightning and dark solar flare loops have been observed. Here is a thread related to a "dark ring" object.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3748

Dark quasars or B. C. Lacertae objects would be very hard to observe so we can't say that they occur.

What mechanism would allow such an object to absorb light over nearly the entire spectrum? Bet there's some ineresting new physics here!
 
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Originally posted by Tyger

What mechanism would allow such an object to absorb light over nearly the entire spectrum?

Hmmm...Black paint on a F-117A stealth fighter?
:wink:
 
hmmm, well any thing that is a perfect black body must absorb and emit em radiation of all wavelengths.
 


Originally posted by Tyger
Some objects emit electromagnetic radiation over the entire spectrum, from radio waves to X-rays. Solar flare loops, quasars and, the most amazing are, B. C. Larcertae Objects which display an extremely flat spectrum. This is not just broad band syncrotron radiation. Ball lightning and similar ring like objects have also been reported to emit a pure white light (but not in every case, it might be added).

If this weren't strange enough the same types of objects seem to have a "dark" phase. Dark ball lightning and dark solar flare loops have been observed. Here is a thread related to a "dark ring" object.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3748

Dark quasars or B. C. Lacertae objects would be very hard to observe so we can't say that they occur.

What mechanism would allow such an object to absorb light over nearly the entire spectrum? Bet there's some ineresting new physics here!

That "dark ring object" was a smoke-ring, if I've read the article correctly. Hardly mysterious in its properties.
 


Originally posted by LURCH
That "dark ring object" was a smoke-ring, if I've read the article correctly. Hardly mysterious in its properties.

I did't see any speculation in the articles as to the nature of the ring. Why don't we see large smoke rings like this more often? And there are also "bright" rings, sometimes associated with lightning.

And I left out an important class of dark objects, Sunspots, which are considerably darker than their surroundings. I've just read a report yesterday that another type of dark object has been found on the Sun, a sort of round blob that travels outward during flares.
 

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