How to determine the base of a Number given a problem?

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The discussion revolves around determining the base of a number system given a specific mathematical problem involving unknown operators. Participants explore methods for identifying the base and the operations involved, focusing on the implications of the digits present in the equations.

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  • One participant suggests that the base must be 5 or higher due to the presence of the digit 4, but encounters inconsistencies when converting the first part of the equation to decimal.
  • Another participant proposes trying various bases and operations to see which combination works, emphasizing the importance of experimentation in problem-solving.
  • A different participant presents a method to rewrite the problem in terms of unknowns, suggesting that if only addition and subtraction are allowed, the base can be expressed as an equation involving 'b'.
  • Another point raised indicates that if all numbers are positive and the number of digits on both sides of the equation is the same, it implies that the operation for alpha must be addition, leading to the conclusion that beta is subtraction.

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Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the problem and the operations involved. There is no consensus on the correct base or the validity of the initial problem statement.

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Participants note potential issues with the problem statement, including the possibility of copying errors and the limitations of the operations being considered. The discussion remains open to various interpretations and methods.

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The problem is a follows

142 alpha 214 = 331
and
431 beta 123 = 303

where alpha and beta are unknow operators

I am pretty sure they are +,-,*,/

I know the radix (base) must be 5 or higher because 4 is present

By assuming the base to be 5 and converting to decimal, I discover beta = - and the base is indeed five. But if I convert the first part the first part to decimal useing base 5 the answer is wrong.

It is possible I copied the problem incorrectly

In general, my question is, how to determine the base to a number system given a problem similar to the one above.
 
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The only way I could think of is to TRY various bases, various operations and SEE which one works. Somethime the best way to solve a problem is actually do all the "donkey work".
 
If you are restricted to just the +/- operations, you can rewrite the problem in term of two unknowns (if alpha, beta are given to be distinct; else three unknowns). Let the base be 'b' :

[tex](2+4b+b^2) + (-1)^n (4+b+2b^2) = 1+3b+3b^2[/tex]

and [tex](1+3b+4b^2) + (-1)^m (3+2b+b^2) = 3+3b^2~~~n,m ~\epsilon~ {0,1}[/tex]
 
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Here's another thing to notice ...and this, in conjuction with the above type of method, gives you a solution.

<small number> alpha <large number> =<larger number>, all numbers positive

So alpha must be addition or multiplication. But the number of digits of LHS and RHS are the same (three), so it must be addition. By a similar reasoning, beta is subtraction.

Thus, you copied the problem down incorrectly.
 
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