Kinetic Energy due to rotational motion

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic energy of a body due to rotational motion, specifically the relationship between moment of inertia and angular velocity. Participants explore the mathematical representation of kinetic energy in rotational systems, including the implications of using scalar versus matrix forms for moment of inertia and angular velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the kinetic energy due to rotational motion can be expressed as E=\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2, but note that moment of inertia is typically a matrix and angular velocity a vector.
  • There is a suggestion that converting moment of inertia to a scalar for kinetic energy calculations should involve using only the inertia about the rotational axis.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative expression for kinetic energy as E =\frac{1}{2} \vec{\omega} \cdot \vec{I} \cdot \vec{\omega}, indicating a sum over the components of the moment of inertia matrix and angular velocity vector.
  • One participant describes the computational challenges of handling the matrix and vector multiplication involved in calculating kinetic energy, emphasizing the need to focus on the elements corresponding to the rotational axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to properly handle the moment of inertia in calculations for kinetic energy, with no consensus reached on the best approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate method for converting moment of inertia to a scalar.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of using a 3x3 matrix for moment of inertia and a 3-dimensional vector for angular velocity, highlighting the potential for confusion in calculations. There is also an acknowledgment of the need to consider specific components of the moment of inertia matrix based on the rotational axis.

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The kinetic energy of a body due to rotational motion is a scalar using the following equation:

[tex]E=\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2[/tex]

Except, the moment of inertia is nomally expressed as a matrix and the angular velocity as a vector, as in the equation for angular momentum:

[tex]\vec{H}=<i>\vec{\omega}</i>[/tex]

It's tempting to convert the moment of inertia and the angular velocity to scalar form by taking the norm of each, but this doesn't seem right. For example, a point exactly on the North pole should not contribute any inertia to the rotation of the Earth and contributes nothing to the kinetic energy.

To convert moment of inertia to a scalar for the purposes of determining kinetic energy, would the proper thing to do be to only use the inertia about the rotational axis? In essence, if the rotating about the x axis, take the norm of the x-axis components of the matrix (the moment of inertia and the xy & xz products of inertia)?

(The norm of the angular velocity vector would still be the proper step, since the angular velocity vector always lies along the rotational axis.)
 
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BobG said:
The kinetic energy of a body due to rotational motion is a scalar using the following equation:

[tex]E=\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2[/tex]

Except, the moment of inertia is nomally expressed as a matrix and the angular velocity as a vector, as in the equation for angular momentum:

[tex]\vec{H}=<i>\vec{\omega}</i>[/tex]



What you want, I think is

[tex]E =\frac{1}{2} \vec{\omega} \cdot \vec{I} \cdot \vec{\omega}[/tex]

Writing this out as a sum, it looks like

[tex]\sum_{i,j=1}^3 I_{ij} w_{i}w_{j}[/tex]
 
pervect said:
What you want, I think is

[tex]E =\frac{1}{2} \vec{\omega} \cdot \vec{I} \cdot \vec{\omega}[/tex]

Writing this out as a sum, it looks like

[tex]\sum_{i,j=1}^3 I_{ij} w_{i}w_{j}[/tex]

Close. Moment of inertia is a 3x3 matrix and angular velocity is a 3-dimensional vector, so my calculator doesn't handle this in a nice simple step. Doing it manually with paper and pencil made it a little easier to see what I had to do.

Multiplying the I matrix by the w vector gets me a 3 element matrix (basically, a 3-dimensional vector). I can either take the dot product between the result and the w vector or transpose the result of the matrix multiplication and multiply by the w vector. And, somewhere along the way, I have to multiply by 1/2.

End result is to only use the matrix elements corresponding to the rotational axis, which makes sense.
 

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