Where Does Lost Energy Go When Lifting and Lowering Objects?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of energy transfer when lifting and lowering objects, specifically focusing on where the energy goes when potential energy is lost during these actions. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to energy conservation and transformation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that lifting a box results in a gain of potential energy while energy from the body is lost, questioning where the lost energy goes when the box is lowered.
  • Another participant argues that the human body is complex and does not store the energy lost from the box, emphasizing that the work done is the same whether lifting or lowering the box.
  • It is proposed that if the box is dropped, the energy is converted into sound, heat, and deformation upon impact with the ground.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the energy remains in the box as kinetic energy, and to bring the box to rest, this kinetic energy must be transferred elsewhere.
  • Some participants assert that the energy conversion into sound, heat, and deformation is the correct explanation, while others note that this depends on whether the box actually hits the ground.
  • One participant adds a conditional statement regarding the assumption of gravity being present in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the fate of energy when lowering the box, with some asserting that energy is lost to sound, heat, and deformation, while others propose that it remains as kinetic energy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding energy transfer, the complexity of the human body, and the conditions under which the box is lowered or dropped. The discussion does not resolve these aspects.

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When we lift a heavy box to a higher position, energy from our bodies(chemical energy) is lost and there is energy gain(potential energy) in the box.

After, when we release the box from that position to the original one(lower position), there is P.E. lost in the box. So where does lost energy go?
We gain energy from the box!? I think it is impossible... :eek:
 
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The human body is not a simple physical system so you cannot treat as one. The human body expends energy to either raise or lower the box, in either case the work required is the same. If you were to simply push the box off the shelf it would hit the ground with a velocity determined by the height of the shelf, when you lower the box you are applying a force which counters gravitational forces to reduce the speed with which it hits the ground. Unfortunately your body does not have a mechanism for storing the lost energy of the box.
 
If you simply drop the box, the energy goes into sound, heat, and deformation of the box when it hits the ground.
 
The answer is that the energy is still present (ignoring any possible loses) in the box as the box's kinetic energy. If we wish to bring the box to rest at the orginal lower postion the only way to achieve this is is to transfer the kinetic energy of the box to some other part of the system.
 
russ_watters said:
If you simply drop the box, the energy goes into sound, heat, and deformation of the box when it hits the ground.

this is the right answer.
 
Nenad said:
this is the right answer.
Well it depnds if the box does hit the ground.
 
assuming gravity is present.
 

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