## Mexican Drug War

Mexico Seems To Favor Sinaloa Cartel In Drug War

 The Sinaloa has been clearly the winner of all that competition among organized crime groups. And as a result of that, they have gained more economic power, they have been able to corrupt with more frequency and corrupt with more scope. Now you see that Sinaloa is the most powerful criminal group, not just in Mexico, but all over Latin America.
- Edgardo Buscaglia, professor of Mexican law and organized crime expert at ITAM and Columbia University.

 If that happens, if you negociate with a strong organized crime group from a weak state standpoint, the state will be taken over by organized crime.
-- Edgardo Buscaglia

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 I've heard rumors the drug war has been spilling over the border into the southwestern border states. Can anyone confirm this?
 I've read news reports of Mexican nationals being attacked in the US. It's sometimes difficult to sort out crimes committed by drug cartels and "regular" crime.

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## Mexican Drug War

 Quote by aquitaine I've heard rumors the drug war has been spilling over the border into the southwestern border states. Can anyone confirm this?
It really doesn't take much effort to "confirm this".

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But why stop at the Southwest states?

 You know, there is an extremely obvious solution to this problem...

 Quote by Geigerclick I'm all ears.
I'll take a guess at the old libertarian "Legalize drugs to destroy the mafia".

 Quote by Geigerclick I can accept legalizing pot, but what about black-tar heroin? Hell, it could be the right-wing "close the border with fences and lasers!". I'm still waiting for Galteeth to expound on his obvious solution.
On a basic level I can agree with the legalization of pot compared to alcohol, but on the other hand I'm no great supporter of alcohol either, and pot is like the highway to lung cancer... But if it was legal, at least filtered smokes could be made to make it slightly less dangerous.

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 Quote by Galteeth You know, there is an extremely obvious solution to this problem...
You want armies of dangerous animals with guns out of work with the stroke of a pen? NIMBY!! Did organized crime go away when we repealed prohibition?

 Quote by Geigerclick I know what you mean about alcohol, but like alcohol marijuana really is in the culture to a great degree. At least you can eat, or volatilize ("vaporize") marijuana, and you don't have tobacco specific carcinogens. That said, do you know anyone who can't get pot at the drop of a hat? Lets tax it, regulate it, etc. For drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and others, I can't see how that can be done. Hell, I even understand how alcohol could fall into that group given a different history, but we know that isn't happening. What I'd like to see are more impartial studies of the possible harm from cannabis, it's possible benefits, relative carcinogenicity and toxicity, and so on. I know I'd rather have people smoking something that wasn't sprayed with Raid or the like, and did I mention taxes? It already falls under DWI laws, so we have that... ,
Marijuana is no where near as common in Sweden as in the US (though still not exactly RARE, but I would have no idea where to get it)

 Recognitions: Gold Member Science Advisor Staff Emeritus The legalization of drugs has had strong support from the most conservative elements of the US political arena. Legalizing drugs would not only eliminate the funding mechanism for much of organized crime, but the financial benefits, through taxation and the reduced costs of law enforcement and incarceration, would be worth billions of dollars annually. Organized crime turned in part to illegal drugs when prohibition ended. Drugs are now the bread and butter of organized crime. I believe that drug laws are responsible for much if not most of the violent crime that we have today. They are destroying our cities and culture. Why would any young man in the ghetto choose to work hard for $10 per hour, when they can make$1000 a day or more by selling drugs? We also see the results of drug laws in our border States - utter chaos. But above all, it is painfully obvious that drug laws don't work. They are the folly of fools and control freaks.

 Quote by chemisttree You want armies of dangerous animals with guns out of work with the stroke of a pen? NIMBY!! Did organized crime go away when we repealed prohibition?
Crime will never go away, but it can certainly be reduced. The gangs wouldn't disappear overnight, but by limiting revenue sources, they will shrink.

As I believe they did after prohibition was repealed.

 Quote by Geigerclick I can accept legalizing pot, but what about black-tar heroin? Hell, it could be the right-wing "close the border with fences and lasers!". I'm still waiting for Galteeth to expound on his obvious solution.
People still use heroin. You can't stop demand by trying to reduce supply. It just doesn't work that way. All you do is create income sources for bad people.

 Quote by GRB 080319B Mexican teen killed by U.S. border patrol agents had ties to smuggling/human trafficking.
One always has to be careful of propaganda put out by both sides after incidents like this. What is human trafficking anyway, showing some illegals the right hole in the fence to crawl through? If true, why was he never charged and how would that reduce the Border Patrol agent's guilt?

The other side claims he was a straight A student but I never saw any report cards offered as evidence.

 Quote by skeptic2 The other side claims he was a straight A student but I never saw any report cards offered as evidence.
That claim does not seem particularly relevant to anything.

 Nor does the claim that he had a history of involvement with human smuggling and was on a list of repeat juvenile offenders.
 Recognitions: Gold Member They aren't throwing pebbles. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1 In 2008 over 200 BP officers were injured by rock throwers. They have been cleared to fire in self defence.