Genetic engineering and third world medicine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for genetically engineering edible plants, such as tea bushes, to produce antibiotics for use in third world medicine, particularly for indigenous groups like the Yanomamo. Participants explore the feasibility, implications, and broader socio-political context of such an idea.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose genetically engineering plants to produce antibiotics as a way to provide accessible medicine to communities like the Yanomamo.
  • Others argue that solutions for third world issues may stem more from political actions in wealthier countries rather than genetic engineering alone.
  • Concerns are raised about ecological balance, antibiotic resistance, dosing, and side effects associated with using genetically engineered plants for medicinal purposes.
  • One participant suggests that while the idea of edible antibiotics is not simple, it could be feasible and worth further study.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that direct supply of conventional medicines might be more effective than relying on genetically engineered plants.
  • Some participants note that the Yanomamo and similar cultures face challenges not only from health issues but also from external pressures such as deforestation and political neglect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement. While there is some consensus that an edible antibiotic could be better than nothing, there is significant debate about the practicality, effectiveness, and broader implications of such a solution compared to traditional medicine supply methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations, including the need for education on proper use and dosing of antibiotics, the potential for ecological impacts, and the socio-political factors affecting healthcare access in third world regions.

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I just had a lovely idea. Perhaps they could take edible plants, such as tea bushes, and genetically engineer them to make antibiotics. That way people, such as the yanomamo, could plant some of these perrenials near their campsites and chew them or make a tea when they get sick and not have to die or rely on distant doctors.
 
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mee said:
I just had a lovely idea. Perhaps they could take edible plants, such as tea bushes, and genetically engineer them to make antibiotics. That way people, such as the yanomamo, could plant some of these perrenials near their campsites and chew them or make a tea when they get sick and not have to die or rely on distant doctors.
Yes. Molecular Genetics can make a lot of things. But I don't think that the solutions for the third world come from Genetics but from the rich world's Polithics.
On the other hand, it is not so simple your idea. It would must solve linked problems to the "edible plants": ecological equilibrium, antibiotic resistance, dose / side effects...
 
ryokan said:
Yes. Molecular Genetics can make a lot of things. But I don't think that the solutions for the third world come from Genetics but from the rich world's Polithics.
On the other hand, it is not so simple your idea. It would must solve linked problems to the "edible plants": ecological equilibrium, antibiotic resistance, dose / side effects...

Fine, go down to live with the yanomamo as they do and then tell me you don't want them. :) Ecological equilibrium: its just one plant, are you saying they can't grow tomatoes either? Antibiotic resistance: Are you saying we should deny people in well developed countries antibiotics? They would have to be taught when is an acceptable time to eat them to minimise this. Dose: Again, teach them what is an acceptable dose, after all I have never heard of someone dying from antibiotic overdose, unless they are allergic. Side effects: Yes there are side effects with most medicines, but little ones from antibiotics are not that severe unless you choose something like penicillin. One would have to use an antibiotic that people often allergic to such things can use. Again, teach them. I didn't say it was a simple idea. But I am saying it is maybe a feasible idea. And worth further study.
 
mee said:
Fine, go down to live with the yanomamo as they do and then tell me you don't want them. :) Ecological equilibrium: its just one plant, are you saying they can't grow tomatoes either? Antibiotic resistance: Are you saying we should deny people in well developed countries antibiotics? They would have to be taught when is an acceptable time to eat them to minimise this. Dose: Again, teach them what is an acceptable dose, after all I have never heard of someone dying from antibiotic overdose, unless they are allergic. Side effects: Yes there are side effects with most medicines, but little ones from antibiotics are not that severe unless you choose something like penicillin. One would have to use an antibiotic that people often allergic to such things can use. Again, teach them. I didn't say it was a simple idea. But I am saying it is maybe a feasible idea. And worth further study.
You are right. It is best an "edible" vegetal antibiotic than nothing. Yes. I agree.
But I think that, although maybe useful, that and others are minor solutions.
It is possible that be cheaper and best a direct supply of medicines that an edible plant. I suppose that yanomamo don't only need antibiotics.
And I believe that the problems of yanomamo and the third world, in general, are produced by the selfish polithics of the countries where "edible" plants could be made.
 
ryokan said:
You are right. It is best an "edible" vegetal antibiotic than nothing. Yes. I agree.
But I think that, although maybe useful, that and others are minor solutions.
It is possible that be cheaper and best a direct supply of medicines that an edible plant. I suppose that yanomamo don't only need antibiotics.
And I believe that the problems of yanomamo and the third world, in general, are produced by the selfish polithics of the countries where "edible" plants could be made.

Actually, the yanomamo have been living similarly for many many years and are only affected badly by having their living grounds being deforested by south american countries as far as i know. Some places in africa, central america and asia are currently being hurt by governmental pressures and subsidies but cultures such as the Baka pygmies, the !Kung bushmen, and the Yanomamo, who live in the forest hundereds of miles, often times, from the nearest town could use an growable anti-biotic. It is simply too expensive and difficult to give them regular medicine regularly. Now, peoples in third world nations who live near viable transportation routes are another story. But I was not really thinking of them.
 

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