Solving Derivation Trouble with Euler's Relationships

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Euler's Relationships, specifically focusing on the expression e^(i*theta) - 1 and its manipulation. Participants are attempting to clarify steps in the derivation process and address confusion regarding the use of half-angle identities and the implications of certain transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving a specific relationship using Euler's formula, indicating a repetitive return to the starting point.
  • Another participant provides a transformation of the expression e^(ix) - 1 into a form involving half-angle identities, but the reasoning behind introducing the half-angle is questioned.
  • There is a challenge regarding the introduction of e^(2ix) in the derivation, with confusion about its necessity and the presence of the term -1 in the expression.
  • A later reply suggests a factoring approach to simplify the expression, presenting an alternative perspective on the manipulation of the terms.

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Participants express confusion and seek clarification on various steps, indicating that there is no consensus on the derivation process or the reasoning behind certain transformations. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present in the discussion.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the introduction of half-angle identities and the implications of using e^(2ix). There are also unresolved questions about the validity of certain steps in the derivation process.

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Derivation Trouble!

Please read the attachment with this posting: Here's the problem, I have been attempting to derive this for a couple of days now... However, it seems that whatever I do all that I end up deriving is itself again; meaning I get back to where I started. Can anyone give me a few pointers because I'm flat out of luck here. Here I use Euler's Relationships...but no help...hmm..?

e^(i*theta)-1=2i*sin(theta/2)*e^(i*(theta/2))

I have the pretty version in the attachment. :smile:

Crazed Hannah
 

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liz this is how one posts
 
Note that [itex]1=e^{2\pi i}[/itex] and [itex]a^2-b^2 = (a-b)(a+b)[/itex]
 
I will use x for theta.

eix-1=cosx+isinx-1
=cos2x/2-sin2x/2+2icosx/2sinx/2-1
=-2sin2x/2+2icosx/2sinx/2
=2isinx/2(cosx/2+isinx/2)
=2isinx/2eix/2
 
I'm still a little confused on how you got the half angle in there? I seemed to have missed a step

Hannah
 
Because I know that e^(2ix) = cos2x/2-sin2x/2+2icosx/2sinx/2. Where'd you get e^(2ix), because all that I see is e^(ix)? Or is it emplied that 1=e^(2ix)? If that is true then why does your answer still contain a -1? Looking like this: cos2x/2-sin2x/2+2icosx/2sinx/2 -1?

Hannah
 
Tide said:
Note that [itex]1=e^{2\pi i}[/itex] and [itex]a^2-b^2 = (a-b)(a+b)[/itex]

Even simpler:

[tex]e^{i \theta} - 1 = e^{i \frac{\theta}{2}} \left(e^{i \frac{\theta}{2}} - e^{-i \frac{\theta}{2}}\right)[/tex]

It's just factoring.
 
Thanx so much...
 

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