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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to wave packets in physics, specifically focusing on their mathematical representation, behavior, and properties. Participants explore various aspects of wave packets, including their group and phase velocities, conditions for non-spreading, and implications of different dispersion relations.

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  • One participant presents the wave packet equation and asks for assistance in deriving its form and properties.
  • Another participant provides a detailed Taylor expansion of the frequency function, leading to the expression for the wave packet.
  • It is suggested that the wave packet will not spread if the group velocity equals the phase velocity, with a mathematical justification provided.
  • Discussion includes the condition for light in a vacuum where the group velocity equals the phase velocity, leading to the conclusion that the wave equation follows.
  • A participant raises a hypothetical scenario with a different dispersion relation, questioning whether the phase and group velocities would remain equal and what differential equation would result.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the last question regarding the differential equation derived from the new dispersion relation.
  • Another participant acknowledges the challenge of the homework problem and expresses a desire to learn from the discussion.
  • A later reply humorously comments on the difficulty of the homework assignment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical steps involved in deriving the wave packet properties, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of the different dispersion relation and the resulting differential equation. No consensus is reached on the last question.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of wave packets under different conditions and the dependence on specific definitions of group and phase velocities. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of the new dispersion relation.

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Students and individuals interested in wave mechanics, particularly those studying wave packets, dispersion relations, and their applications in physics.

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I was wondering if anyone can give me some assistance on a homework problem. Here it is,

Consider a wave packet defined by

[itex] \begin{equation}<br /> \vec{A}(\vec{r},t)=\int \hat{\mathcal{A}}(\vec{k}-\vec{k_0})<br /> \frac{e^{i(\vec{k}\cdot\vec{r}-\omega(k)t)}}{(2\pi)^{3/2}}d\vec{k}<br /> \end{equation}[/itex]

where

[itex] \hat{\mathcal{A}}(\vec{k}-\vec{k_0})[/itex]
is a function that is peaked at [itex]\vec{k}=\vec{k_0}[/itex].

(a) Show that this packet can be written in the form

[itex] \begin{equation}<br /> \vec{A}(\vec{r},t)=e^{i(\vec{k_0}\cdot\vec{r}-\omega(k_0)t)}\mathcal{A}(\vec{r}-v_gt)+\cdots<br /> \end{equation}[/itex],

where [itex]\vec{v}_g=\vec{v}_{\mathrm{group}}=\vec{\nabla}_k\omega<br /> (k)|_{k_0}[/itex] is the group velocity and [itex]\mathcal{A}(\vec{r}-\vec{v}_g t)[/itex] is a function that is peaked at [itex]\vec{r}=\vec{v}_gt[/itex] Hint: expand [itex]\omega(k)[/itex] around [itex]\vec{k}_0[/itex]

(b) Show that for a wave packet not to "spread", i.e., not change its shape from that given by [itex]\mathcal{A}(\vec{r})[/itex], it is required that [itex]\vec{v}_{\mathrm{group}}=\vec{v}_{\mathrm{phase}}[/itex]. Here [itex]\vec{v}_{\mathrm{phase}}[/itex] is the phase velocity [itex]\vec{v}_{\mathrm{phase}}\equiv\omega/k[/itex].

(c) As a consequence of the condition [itex]\vec{v}_\mathrm{phase}=\vec{v}_\mathrm{group}[/itex] show that [itex]\omega=kc[/itex] which holds for light in a vacuum. Then deduce that the wave equation [itex]\square\vec{A}=0[/itex] follows.

(d) Suppose we had [itex]\omega(k)=bk^2[/itex], where [itex]b[/itex] is some constant. Would the phase and group velocities be the same? What differential equation would you deduce? Would the wave packet maintain its shape?
 
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(a) First, Taylor expand [tex]\omega(k)[/tex] as [tex]\omega(k) = \omega(k_0) + \vec{\nabla}_k\omega(k)|_{k_0} \cdot (\vec{k}-\vec{k_0}) + \cdots[/tex]

Then insert this Taylor expansion, shift dummy variable [tex]\vec{k}=\vec{k'}+\vec{k_0}[/tex] and use the all-important expression of the Dirac peak as its Fourier transform :

[tex]\vec{A}(\vec{r},t)=\int \hat{\mathcal{A}}(\vec{k}-\vec{k_0})<br /> \frac{e^{i(\vec{k}\cdot\vec{r}-\omega(k)t)}}{(2\pi)^{3/2}}d\vec{k}[/tex]

[tex]=\int \hat{\mathcal{A}}(\vec{k'})<br /> \frac{e^{i\left[(\vec{k'}+\vec{k_0})\cdot\vec{r}-[\omega(k_0) + \vec{k'} \cdot \vec{\nabla}_k\omega(k)|_{k_0} ]t\right]}}{(2\pi)^{3/2}}d\vec{k'}+\cdots[/tex]

[tex]=e^{i(\vec{k_0}\cdot\vec{r}-\omega(k_0)t)}<br /> \int \hat{\mathcal{A}}(\vec{k'})<br /> \frac{e^{i\left[\vec{k'}\cdot (\vec{r}- \vec{\nabla}_k\omega(k)|_{k_0}t)\right]}}{(2\pi)^{3/2}}d\vec{k'}+\cdots[/tex]

[tex]=e^{i(\vec{k_0}\cdot\vec{r}-\omega(k_0)t)}<br /> \int \hat{\mathcal{A}}(\vec{k'})<br /> \frac{e^{i\left[\vec{k'}\cdot (\vec{r}-\vec{v}_gt)\right]}}{(2\pi)^{3/2}}d\vec{k'}+\cdots[/tex]

[tex]\vec{A}(\vec{r},t)=<br /> e^{i(\vec{k_0}\cdot\vec{r}-\omega(k_0)t)}\mathcal{A}(\vec{r}-\vec{v}_gt)+\cdots[/tex]

(b) I need to lower the level of rigor in order to save my time. Damn latex :wink:


[tex]\vec{A}(\vec{r},t)=<br /> e^{i(k r-\omega t)}\mathcal{A}(r-v_gt)+\cdots[/tex]
The wave packet will not spread if
[tex]\vec{A}(r,t)=\vec{A}(r+\delta r,t + \delta t)[/tex] where [tex]\delta r = v_g \delta t[/tex]. It follows that the argument of [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] is automatically unchanged. So you only need to ensure the invariance of the exponanetial's argument :
[tex]k r-\omega t = k (r+\delta r)-\omega (t + \delta t)[/tex] from which [tex]k\delta r -\omega\delta t =0[/tex] and hence [tex]\frac{\delta r}{\delta t}=\frac{\omega}{k}=v_g[/tex]

(c)For light in vacuum, [tex]v_g=c[/tex] so [tex]\omega = k c[/tex]
From the invariance of [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex], you only need to work with the exponential (again) when you deal with differential equations.
You can readily see that the operator (adjust in case you use a different metric signature) [tex]\square = \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2}-\frac{\partial^2}{\partial r^2}=\frac{\omega^2}{c^2}-k^2=0[/tex]

(d) With this other dispersion relation, the velocities become unequal. [tex]v_p=\omega/k[/tex] is always valid, but [tex]v_g = \frac{d\omega}{d k}=b k[/tex].
The new differential equation can be expected to be
[tex]\frac{1}{b^2}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2}-\frac{\partial^4}{\partial r^4}=0[/tex] and the wavepacket will spread.
 
This is not a great do for me today. I abandonned my fight against the craniale-size/intelligence lobby, and I forgot the basic rule in homework help : provide only hints[/i] not answers... I am sorry, I shall better go sleeping before making another mystake.
 
Thanks a million. Don't worry about ruining it for me. I will learn each step. I need to learn this packet stuff in a hurry for the future homeworks and tests.

I gave it a pretty fair shot, and I was close to getting it.
 
You're welcome. It took me a little while, but it was worth for me too. Except that, i am not absolutely certain for the last question, especially the differential equation.
 
Quite a problem to be on Homework #1 lol.
 

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