Is the divergence of the Dirac-delta function truly zero at the origin?

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The discussion centers on the divergence of the Dirac-delta function and related vector fields, particularly examining whether the divergence is truly zero at the origin. Participants explore the implications of divergence in the context of specific vector functions and their behavior as one approaches the origin, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • One participant questions the divergence of the vector field \( v = \frac{1}{r^2} \vec{r} \), suggesting that it should exhibit negative divergence as the field weakens radially outward, indicating a potential misunderstanding of divergence.
  • Another participant asserts that the divergence is zero for \( r > 0 \) because the field does not diverge from the radial direction.
  • A participant reiterates the concern about the field weakening radially outward and questions whether this implies negative divergence, introducing a different function \( v = \frac{1}{x^2} \vec{x} \) as a point of consideration.
  • Further calculations are presented by another participant, showing the divergence of a vector field and concluding that it is zero everywhere except at the origin, while also referencing the Dirac-delta function.

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Participants express differing views on the divergence of the vector fields discussed, with no consensus reached on whether the divergence is indeed zero at the origin or if it can be negative as one approaches it.

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In introducing the dirac-delta function, my electrodynamics discusses the following function:

[tex]v = 1 / r^2[/tex]r

The text states that "at every location, v is directed radially outward; if there ever was a function that ought to have a large positive divergence, this is it. And yet, when you actually calculate the divergence (using Eq. 1.71), you get precisely zero."

At least on the positive portion of the x-y-z axis, it seems to me that v would have a negative divergence, meaning that as you move away from the origin, the magnitude of the vectors (which all point radially outward from the origin), would get smaller. That is, for every point other than the origin, the amount going in would exceed the amount coming out (the definition of a sink). For example:

Origin---------->-------->------>---->-->

Does this not indicate a negative divergence?

This question has caused me to wonder if my understanding of the divergence function is flawed.

Any help is greatly appreciated,

--Brian
 
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The divergence is zero for r > 0 because the field never diverges from the radial direction.
 
But doesn't the field weaken as you move radially outward? If so, wouldn't that mean that the divergence is negative?

Maybe my understanding of divergence is wrong.

Consider this function:

[tex]v = 1 / x^2[/tex]x

From 0 to infinity, it would look like this:

---------->--------->-------->------->------>----->---->--->-->

and so on...

Wouldn't it have a negative divergence?

Thanks again for any help,
--Brian
 
brianparks said:
But doesn't the field weaken as you move radially outward? If so, wouldn't that mean that the divergence is negative?

Maybe my understanding of divergence is wrong.

Consider this function:

[tex]v = 1 / x^2[/tex]x

From 0 to infinity, it would look like this:

---------->--------->-------->------->------>----->---->--->-->

and so on...

Wouldn't it have a negative divergence?

Thanks again for any help,
--Brian


See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/diverg.html#c3

for the appropriate formulas for divergence in spherical coordiantes.
 
brianparks said:
In introducing the dirac-delta function, my electrodynamics discusses the following function:

[tex]v = 1 / r^2[/tex]r

The text states that "at every location, v is directed radially outward; if there ever was a function that ought to have a large positive divergence, this is it. And yet, when you actually calculate the divergence (using Eq. 1.71), you get precisely zero."


--Brian

Let us try.

[tex]\Vec{v}(x,y,z)=\frac{1}{x^2+y^2+z^2}(x\Vec{i}+y\Vec{j}+z\Vec{k})[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial v_x}{\partial x} =-\frac{2x^2}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2}+\frac{1}{x^2+y^2+z^2}= \frac{-2x^2}{r^4} + \frac{1}{r^2}[/tex]


In the same way,

[tex]\frac{\partial v_y}{\partial y} =-\frac{2y^2}{r^4}+\frac{1}{r^2}[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{\partial v_z}{\partial z} =-\frac{2z^2}{r^4}+\frac{1}{r^2}[/tex]

The divergence is

[tex]\mbox{Div}(\Vec{v})=\frac{\partial v_x}{\partial x} +\frac{\partial v_y}{\partial y} +\frac{\partial v_z}{\partial z}=[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{-2x^2-2y^2-2z^2}{r^4}+\frac{3}{r^2}=\frac{-2r^2}{r^4}+\frac{3}{r^2}=\frac{1}{r^2}[/tex]


It is the function
[tex]\Vec{v}(\Vec{r}) = \frac{\Vec{r}}{r^3}[/tex]
whose divergence is zero everywhere except at the origin.

ehild
 

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