Demystifying Lifters: Electro-Mechanical Effects Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms behind lifters, devices that appear to defy gravity through various proposed effects such as ionization and electro-mechanical interactions. Participants explore different theories, including the nature of forces involved and the implications of these devices in the context of anti-gravity claims.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that lifters operate purely as an electromechanical effect, where the thrust is generated by the different ways forces are applied between the wire and aluminum foil.
  • Another participant questions the analogy of holding onto a train, implying that the method of force application does not affect acceleration in a straightforward manner.
  • There is a call for visual aids or links to clarify the discussion for those unfamiliar with the topic.
  • Concerns are raised about the terminology used, particularly the term 'antigravity,' which some participants find misleading in the context of traditional aircraft.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the commercial nature of information surrounding lifters, seeking unbiased viewpoints.
  • One participant characterizes lifters as devices that ionize air and use electric fields to create downward thrust, noting that they have not seen one powerful enough to lift its own power source.
  • Another participant mentions a general consensus that lifters work based on ion wind or polarized wind propulsion, while also highlighting the skepticism surrounding their effectiveness in a vacuum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of lifters, with no consensus reached on the definitive explanation of how they operate. Participants express skepticism about various claims, particularly those related to anti-gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the validity of claims surrounding lifters, particularly in relation to their performance in different environments, such as a vacuum. There is also a noted dependence on definitions and terminology that may influence understanding.

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hello all

first time i see a lifter flying was astouning for me, and also the explanations of ionizing air ,antigravity , electrogravity etc..
but thinking best now i think this is purely an electromechanical effect
i mean
the wire and aluminum foil have the same charge ( but opposed ) , hence both attracts each other electrostatically with the same magnitude
what cause the thrust is THE DIFFERNET WAY the force is applied to the wood armature
because the wire apply its force only in 2 points, that is, at its edges
while the aluminum foil apply its force over its support that is over its complete length
i think this hypotese can be refuteable, even without an hv source
and its the simplest of all theories

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Do you accelerate faster if you hold on to the train with both your hands instead of just one hand? No.
 
Care to post a picture/link/something so that the less enlightened among us have a clue what you're talking about? :bugeye: :confused:
 
And please don't say 'antigravity', that makes me think of helicopters, and aeroplanes.

A Boeing 737, an antigravity device? Bring it on.
 
Anything on the subject seems to be commercial, so I tend to keep away. Someone let me know when an unbiased, non-commercial, recognized viewpoint is available.
 
What I've seen of them, I would characterise them as 'fans without any moving parts'.

They ionise the air with a high voltage, then use an electric field to accelerate the air downwards. This makes them lift. They are usually light wooden, wire and foil structures. The power is supplied along a cable. I never saw one of them powerful enough to lift its own batteries or other power source.

There is usually a lot of hype about 'anti-gravity' or 'space drive' surrounding these things. It only takes someone to demonstrate one working in a vacuum, and scientists might begin to believe. :wink: Unless and until that happens, most 'lifter' fans will continue to be regarded as cranks.
 
alpha_wolf said:
Care to post a picture/link/something so that the less enlightened among us have a clue what you're talking about? :bugeye: :confused:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm

Has pictures.

General consensus is that they work based on ion wind (or possibly polarized wind) propulsion.
 

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