How do I find the distance between two trains heading towards each other?

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The problem involves two trains approaching each other on the same track, initially 250 meters apart, with different speeds and deceleration rates. The original poster is trying to determine if the trains will collide based on their braking distances.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the distance each train travels before stopping and questions why their calculated distance differs from the solution manual. Some participants suggest considering the different deceleration times for each train and breaking the problem into parts.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, including the effects of different deceleration rates and the implications of equal accelerations. Some guidance has been offered regarding breaking the problem into two parts and considering the time each train takes to stop.

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There is a discussion about the constraints of the braking system, specifically that brakes can only reduce speed to zero and cannot reverse the motion of the trains.

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Two trains heading straight for each other on the same track are 250 m apart when their engineers see each other and hit the brakes. The A, heading west at 96 km/h, slows down, accelerating at an average of -4 m/s^2, while the B, traveling at 110 km/h, slows down, accelerating at an average of -3 m/s^2. Will they collide?


I solved it this way :
a_T = The resultant of two accelerations = -7
V_A = 96 km/h
V_B = 110 km/h
V_T = V_B + V_A = 206 km/h = 57.22 m/s
And considered (V_T)_final = 0.
Plugging into this formula : S = - [(V_T)^2 ] / 2 a_T; S = 233.9. So two trains won't collide.
My answer for S is not the same as the one in the solutions manual, 244.5 m. Why is my answer 233.9 ?
The book has solved that problem in a different way, and I can do it so, but I'm interested to know why my answer is wrong.
 
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The two trains do not decelerate for the same length of time.

The train moving at 96 kph = 26.67 m/s decelerates at -4 m/s2 for 26.67/4= 6.67 seconds at which time it is stopped. The train moving at 110 kph= 30.5 m/s decelerates at -3 m/s2 for 30.5/3= 10.18 seconds. The two trains will have a "relative deceleration" of -7 m/s2 for the first 6.67 seconds but after that the first train has stopped and the "relative deceleration" is only -3 m/s2. You could do the problem by considering those to time intervals separately but it is easier to treat the two trains separately- which is what I presume you book did- that's what I did and got the same answer as your book.
 
Thank you

Ok.
What if two accelerations were equal ?
Thank you
 
If the accelerations were equal, your approach would be fine. In fact, if you substituted a force that could send the train in reverse (thrusters or spin the wheels backward, for example), your approach would be fine, provided you subtracted your answer from the 250 m to find out how close the trains would come to each other.

Your answer was wrong because of the special case given - brakes can only slow you down to 0, they can't send you into reverse.
 
Break problem into two parts. First solve for a final velocity of 0 for each train using the formula Vf = Vi + AT and solve for T for each train. Next, plug T for each train into the distance formula D = AT^2/2. Next add up the distance each train travels.
 
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