How does the shape of a scramjet engine affect its thrust?

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The discussion centers on the physics of scramjet engines, particularly focusing on how the shape of the engine influences thrust generation. Participants explore concepts related to airflow, combustion processes, and the role of engine design in achieving supersonic flight.

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  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the physics of scramjet engines and the airflow through their structure.
  • Another participant inquires about the mathematical background of the original poster, suggesting that access to university resources could facilitate learning.
  • A participant notes the shape of the scramjet engine, particularly how it broadens after the combustion chamber, and questions the contribution of lateral expansion of burning gases to thrust.
  • This participant speculates that if airflow remains supersonic during combustion, forward thrust from the explosion may not be possible, implying that thrust could derive from lateral pressure against the vent sides.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point and raises doubts regarding the combustion process, mentioning a related inquiry in a different forum about flame formation and molecular diffusion in chemical reactions.
  • A participant emphasizes that understanding scramjet operation requires knowledge of gas dynamics, indicating that the supersonic flow regime is complex and not intuitive.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and uncertainty regarding the mechanics of scramjet engines. There is no consensus on the specific contributions of engine shape to thrust or the combustion process, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of gas dynamics and the need for a solid mathematical foundation to fully grasp the concepts discussed. There are references to external resources and prior discussions that may not be fully integrated into this thread.

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I'm trying to fully understand scramjet engines but I can't seem to find a good source of information. I know the gist of what a scramjet engine is; I want to really understand the physics behind how it works and how the air flows thru the structure. If anyone help me and or knows a site or book that can help me out, please let me know.
 
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How much math have you had? I can recommend some books if you have access to a university library.
 
Im a sophmore in college so I don't have a great deal of knowledge in math. I know a good deal of calc. Yes I do have access to a university library.
 
There's a fairly good explanation here, from HowStuffWorks. I was particularly interested in the shape of the engine. It broadens out as one progresses aft of the combustion chamber, causing me to wonder how much of the thrust is provided by the burning gasses expanding laterally. If the airflow remains supersonic throughout combustion, it would seem that gettnig forward thrust from the explosion is impossible, and all the thrust must be from lateral pressure on the sides of the vent. Can anyone conform or refute?
 
LURCH said:
There's a fairly good explanation here, from HowStuffWorks. I was particularly interested in the shape of the engine. It broadens out as one progresses aft of the combustion chamber, causing me to wonder how much of the thrust is provided by the burning gasses expanding laterally. If the airflow remains supersonic throughout combustion, it would seem that gettnig forward thrust from the explosion is impossible, and all the thrust must be from lateral pressure on the sides of the vent. Can anyone conform or refute?

I would say the same, Lurch. The combustion chamber has the mission of pressurizing additionally the flow. My doubts are in the combustion process. In fact I wrote something in the Chemistry forum https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=40661 trying to undertand how the flame is formed, but no body except an spanish colleague answered me. The question is a little bit specific, and it involves the importance or not of the molecular diffusion transport in the chemical reaction. If anyone goes to that link, he will find a numerical simulation of a supersonic flame made in Fluent 6.0. I found it in a webpage.

To say the truth, XJ420, understanding how the Scramjet works is a little bit hard if you do not have some knowledge about elements of Gas Dynamics. The supersonic flow regimen is not an intitiuve subject.
 

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