I made the worst chem disaster in history

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This thread discusses an incident involving the mixing of tequila and lemon juice, leading to the formation of a precipitate and the potential creation of esters. Participants explore the chemical reactions involved, the implications of consuming the mixture, and personal experiences related to alcohol consumption. The discussion touches on chemistry, personal anecdotes, and the social context of drinking.

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  • ShawnD describes mixing tequila and lemon juice, leading to a precipitate and expressing concern about the formation of esters.
  • Some participants suggest that drinking excessively before class may not be wise and question the effectiveness of this approach to learning.
  • One participant explains the chemical reaction, noting that esters can form from alcohols and carboxylic acids, specifically mentioning citric acid from lemon juice.
  • There is a discussion about the benign nature of esters compared to other organic compounds, with some participants expressing misconceptions about their properties.
  • ShawnD shares their experience of feeling unwell the day after consuming the mixture, describing it as a "zombie" state rather than a typical hangover.
  • Another participant humorously suggests using the reaction to pretend to succumb to peer pressure at parties.
  • There are comments about the social dynamics of drinking and the potential for misunderstandings regarding the effects of mixing alcohol with other substances.

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Participants express a range of views on the appropriateness of drinking before class, the nature of the chemical reaction, and the effects of alcohol consumption. There is no consensus on the best approach to drinking or the implications of the chemical reaction discussed.

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Some participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the properties of esters and their reactions, while others share personal anecdotes that reflect varying degrees of understanding about alcohol and its effects.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the chemistry of alcohols and acids, individuals curious about the social aspects of drinking, and anyone interested in personal experiences related to alcohol consumption.

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Tomorrow was the day I was going to get a jump start on everybody by drinking all throughout the day instead of just at the end (keep class interesting :wink: ). Tonight I mixed some tequila and lemon juice about half and half inside of a 950mL Gatoride bottle so I could just grab it when running out the door the next morning. I checked on the bottled like an hour after making it to find a precipitate forming.
OH CRAP! ESTERS!
But no, that can't be! There needs to be a strong acid!
I did some googling to find that the reaction between lemon juice and alcohol is actually spontaneous; strong acids and heat are just catalysts. So now I'm stuck trying to drink almost an entire litre of a half-half alcohol and lemon juice mix before going to bed. It's about 1:15 AM, I have to wake up at 7, and I've drank half the bottle in about 5 minutes. That's like drinking 5 beers in 5 minutes.

Needless to say, tomorrow will be the most fascinating day in my history (given I remember it...). Talk about fear and loathing at Shawn's school. :rolleyes:

So let that be a lesson. Don't mix carboxylic acids with alcohols thinking it'll be cool, because it's not! These esters do taste surprisingly good though, and Billy Ocean has never sounded so entertaining :-p
 
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ShawnD, have you considered that maybe you're drinking too much to be trying to arrive to class drunk and forcing yourself to drink some nasty concoction? Imagine how much smarter you could be if you showed up to class sober and remembered some of it?!
 
The current system works, so I have to stick with it until failure.

And to think I was going to be an engineer :smile:
 
Sounds like you made an ester all right.

All you need are an alcohol (in your case ethanol, CH3-CH2-OH) and a carboxylic acid (citric acid, from the lemon, HO-C(CH2)2-(COOH)3, is a tricarboxylic acid).

The product should be something like 2-hydroxy-1,2,3-tripropanyl ethanoate (?)

Moonbear, everyone does stupid things when they're young an invincible, then we all grow up. I'm not condoning showing up for class drunk (nor am I claiming never to have done this).

It's a problem, however, if this becomes a habit...and I mean "serious problem."
 
Um...

For the chemically illiterate, what are esters, why did their formation make you say "Oh Crap!", and then why would you drink something like that?
 
Esters are pleasant (fruity) smelling aliphatic compounds that often get used as flavouring agents. Compared to most organic compounds, esters are more or less benign, though there are some toxic esters.

Why "oh crap" ? Perhaps, because something happened, when nothing was expected ?
 
Gokul43201 said:
Esters are pleasant (fruity) smelling aliphatic compounds that often get used as flavouring agents. Compared to most organic compounds, esters are more or less benign, though there are some toxic esters.

Why "oh crap" ? Perhaps, because something happened, when nothing was expected ?
Oh...

I was thinking esters would like, explode under pressure or something, so he had to drink it before they reached critical pressure in his bottle.

So it's just like, fruity tasting and good?
 
wasteofo2 said:
I was thinking esters would like, explode under pressure or something, so he had to drink it before they reached critical pressure in his bottle.

:smile: Nothing so "Sci Fi", I'm afraid. :rolleyes:
 
Gokul43201 said:
Why "oh crap" ? Perhaps, because something happened, when nothing was expected ?

A reaction was changing two good things (lemon juice and tequila) into one useless precipitate.
 
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ShawnD said:
A reaction was changing two good things (lemon juice and tequila) into one useless precipitate.

So, how are you feeling today? If you drank a whole Gatorade bottle-sized quantity of tequila last night, I imagine you might be a little under the weather today. If you're going to drink, pick something better than tequila Once you have your one bad tequila story, you can stop, and last night sounds pretty bad, drinking stuff that's precipitating on you.
 
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So, you had to drink it quickly before all the alcohol changed into something not-so-crunk?
 
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wasteofo2 said:
So, you had to drink it quickly before all the alcohol changed into something not-so-crunk?
Exactly.

Moonbear, today I was a zombie. I was totally fine when I woke up; it was like I never drank anything. As the day went on, I started getting drunk, but not in the fun social way. It was more of the "I think I've been poisoned" way. I didn't get sick or pass out, but it would have been a lot better if I did throw up. Throughout the day I've been drinking insane amounts of water, but never having to go to the bathroom at all.

Interesting situation.
 
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Hey that's quite an interesting situation ur in.
Hey think i can do that at a party and pretend to succumb to peer pressure.
May be i could add carboxylic acid to the beer and pretend to get drunk, and maybe i won't die in a car crash before I am ready for college :)
How long does the reaction take? Why were u drunk the next day Shawn? Does the reaction reverse itself?
-Cheers.
 
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cool! maybe i should start putting lemon in all alcoholic beverages in my boarding house's freezer because i think when women in my boarding house drink. i believe they are just pretending to be drunk. now i can catch them pretending to be drunk! or i could just play along...Ü
 
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ShawnD said:
Exactly.

Moonbear, today I was a zombie. I was totally fine when I woke up; it was like I never drank anything. As the day went on, I started getting drunk, but not in the fun social way. It was more of the "I think I've been poisoned" way. I didn't get sick or pass out, but it would have been a lot better if I did throw up. Throughout the day I've been drinking insane amounts of water, but never having to go to the bathroom at all.

Interesting situation.

[dims the lights and talks quietly]

I feel for you...really. I've had my one bad tequila experience, and it's awful. That stuff really does poison you! Yes, that's sort of the effect it has, it doesn't quite kill you, but you start to wish it did. You were probably still a little drunk when you woke up, hence still feeling good, then you started to sober and the hangover kicked in. Force yourself to eat, B-vitamins supposedly help (I don't know if there's any real evidence for that, but sometimes old-wives' tales are worth a try). Go for the sports drinks rather than plain water...get the sugar into your system along with rehydrating.

If you're lucky like me, you'll develop a conditioned taste aversion to the stuff and never be tempted to touch it again (just a sip of a marguerita now is enough to make me nauseous...as soon as I get even the slightest taste of tequila). I really used to like margueritas too.

Feel better.
 
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According to Pliny the Elder, owl's eggs are good for getting rid of hangovers.

And if anyone knew a thing or two about drinking, it was the Romans !

Got owl's eggs ? :biggrin:
 

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