Calculate Work: Lifting and Moving a 90 lb Bag of Shingles in 5 seconds

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work or energy involved in lifting and moving a 90 lb bag of shingles. Participants explore the physics concepts of work, energy, and power in the context of lifting and transporting the bag over specified distances and times.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help calculating the work involved in lifting a 90 lb bag of shingles to a height of 6 feet and moving it to a scaffold.
  • Another participant proposes that the work done in lifting is 108 ft*lb/s and the work done in moving is 15 ft*lb/s, but expresses uncertainty due to confusion with units.
  • A different participant clarifies that work is defined as force times distance, emphasizing that time is not a factor in calculating work and that only the change in elevation matters.
  • One participant acknowledges the confusion between work and power, suggesting that the original question might have been intended to ask about energy used rather than work.
  • Another participant notes the complexity of determining work done by the human body, highlighting that it varies based on individual metabolism and other factors, while still relating it to the potential energy change formula.
  • The original poster reflects on their initial confusion and clarifies that they were seeking to understand the energy required to lift the bag, indicating a desire for a straightforward solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and calculations of work, energy, and power. There is no consensus on the exact values or methods to calculate the work involved, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities of human energy expenditure.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of distinguishing between work and power, as well as the variability in energy expenditure among individuals, which complicates the calculations. There are also references to unit conversions and the need for clarity in definitions.

fuocoso
can anyone help me out with a simple work problem?

say I lifted a bag of shingles that weighed 90 lbs from the ground to 6 feet in 5 seconds, then took 8 seconds to walk that bag to a scaffold which upon arriving to the scaffold it took me an aditional 3 seconds to put it from my 6 foot shoulder to the 6'6" scaffolding platform.

how much work would be involved?

(note: assume there is no aditional forces work on any part such as friction or wind)
 
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I think the first part is 108 ft*lb/s and the second is 15 ft*lb/s, but I can't be sure because I get confused when not using metric, and I can't ever remember any conversions except for 2.54cm=1inch.
 
Work is force times distance. Time does not matter. Pounds is a unit of force so 90lb*6.5ft. The only distance that counts is change in elevation.
 
YES

That makes much more sense, I was thinking power or something. Foucoso mentioned time, so maybe he meant to ask for the power not work though.
 
err, yeah. i meant energy used. i only referred to it as a work problem because that is what i did at work.
 
That is the thing about Physics. It gives definite meaning to many terms which are only loosely defined to the layperson.

unfortunately, the answer to your real question is not as easy as a simple phyisics problem. The human body is a very complex machine, attempting to determine the work done by the body as it moves is very difficult. It will not even be constant from person to person, as it depends on your metaboloism and many other external factors.

If you look, Physically, at the energy involved the answer is the same, you start with a definable amount of potenital, call it 0, and end with a change = mgh where mg=90lbs h = 6.5',
 
yeah, i guess i was really tired whenever i wrote the inital post, what i really meant by all of it was, about how much energy would it require to lift the bag of shingles from the ground (saying it is a solid, static weight) to 6' and so on with all of those charecteristics. I guess that's the reason i called it simple work was because i had originally intended it to be a simple problem that i just didn't remember the formulas off hand and figured people in this forum would be able to tell me what i wanted with less effort of looking the formulas up and reaching the extra 12 inches to grab my graphing calc.
 

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