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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of Earth's orbit around the Sun, specifically addressing why Earth does not move closer to the Sun despite gravitational attraction. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational forces, centripetal motion, and the long-term fate of Earth in relation to the Sun.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Earth maintains a static orbit despite gravitational attraction, suggesting a misunderstanding of gravitational forces and centripetal motion.
  • Another participant asserts that Earth is slowly moving towards the Sun, indicating that this process will eventually lead to a collision, although it will take billions of years.
  • A participant draws a parallel between Earth's orbital dynamics and the eventual crashing of satellites into Earth, linking centripetal acceleration and gravitational pull.
  • Another response attributes satellite decay to atmospheric drag rather than gravitational forces alone, emphasizing conservation of angular momentum in a vacuum.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the implications of Earth's gradual spiral towards the Sun, questioning what factors might be robbing Earth of its orbital energy and considering the effects of solar mass loss and tidal interactions.
  • There is speculation about Earth's historical position in the solar system, suggesting that if Earth were farther from the Sun, it would have been a cold, icy world, which raises questions about its origins.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dynamics of Earth's orbit, the implications of gravitational forces, and the long-term trajectory of Earth in relation to the Sun. There is no consensus on the mechanisms at play or the historical context of Earth's position in the solar system.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims involve assumptions about gravitational interactions, orbital mechanics, and the effects of solar mass loss, which remain unresolved and are dependent on specific definitions and conditions.

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Hi,

New to this forum and my physics isn't great, and i need to improve a hell of a lot for this years exams :-p.

Firstly,

Could someone explain to me how the Earth sits in a static orbit with the sun, in that they don't move closer to each other.

As i thought until tonight, that two objects with mass will attract each other, something with the universal gravitational constant. So therefore if the Earth is in a eliptical orbit with the sun, with centripetal motion why doesn't the suns gravity pull and the fact that all particles attract other particles pull the Earth closer to the sun?



I hope this is in the right forum and thanks for any help

Cheers
Jack
 
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the centripetal acceleration that the Earth has while it rotates the sun is a force that keeps the two from colliding into eachoter. And by the way, the Earth is slowly moving towards the sun, and one day, it wwill crash into it. The motion is soo small that it will take billions of years for this to happen.
 
Thank you, so is this the same reason why satellites crash into Earth eventually? they resist Earth's gravity by the centripetal acceleration but not completely and eventually it gets pulled out of orbit and will collide with earth?
 
Satellites are slowed down by the residual atmosphere at their height. If they were in true vacuum they wouldn't crash, because conservation of angular momentum would keep them flying unless they could transfer some of it to some other matter.
 
Nenad said:
...And by the way, the Earth is slowly moving towards the sun, and one day, it wwill crash into it. The motion is soo small that it will take billions of years for this to happen.

Wow... I've never heard that. I've always heard that the Earth will crash into the Sun because the Sun will swell up into a red giant and engulf the Earth. If the Earth is spiraling towards the Sun, what is robbing it of its orbital energy?
I would have guess the opposite. Since the Sun is constantly converting mass to energy and radiating away that energy, and blowing out a solar wind, and storms of charged particles, it would make sense that the Sun is slowly losing mass. That should cause the Earth to spiral out. The tide that the Earth pulls on the Sun should also cause it to spiral out just like our moon spirals out from Earth. But all those things combined shouldn't make much of a difference anyway.


If the Earth will spiral into the Sun, covering a distance of 1 AU over a few billion years, doesn't that imply that Earth spent the last several billion years spiraling into its current position? But since an Earth even slightly farther from the Sun would be a cold icy world in a permanent ice age, doesn't that suggest that the Earth didn't come from farther out in the solar system.

Interesting theory... You've got me curious. :smile:
 

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