DO Concentration for Fishes in Different Water Volumes

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The discussion revolves around the availability of dissolved oxygen (DO) for fish in two identical containers with different water volumes. Participants explore the relationship between water volume, DO concentration, and the implications for fish respiration, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that both containers contain the same amount of DO, implying that the concentration is uniform regardless of volume.
  • Another participant argues that the container with more water contains more total dissolved oxygen, as there is more water to hold the same concentration of DO.
  • Some participants note that fish utilize oxygen from a small volume of water at a time, which may not depend on the total water volume as long as the container is sufficiently large.
  • It is mentioned that as DO concentration decreases, atmospheric oxygen will dissolve into the water, maintaining a relatively stable concentration over time.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while both containers start with the same DO concentration per unit volume, the larger container has a greater total mass of DO, which may affect the rate of replenishment from the atmosphere.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of DO replenishment in smaller containers, suggesting that fish in smaller volumes may deplete oxygen faster than it can be replaced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the total amount of DO available to the fish is the same in both containers. While some agree that the concentration remains constant, others highlight the implications of water volume on the total mass of DO and the efficiency of replenishment, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include assumptions about the efficiency of oxygen replenishment from the atmosphere and the size of the containers, which may affect the overall conclusions drawn by participants.

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there are 2 identical containers with 2 identical fishes, but they both contain a different amount of water; one less and one more. Which one has more DO available to the fish?

I'm guess they both contain the same amount of DO. is this correct?
 
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No, the container that contains most water contains most dissolved oxygen. There will be the same amount of dissolved oxygen per litre of water, so if there are less litres of water there will be less oxygen. This does however not matter for the fish in it (as long as the container is not too small), because the fish is using oxygen from only a little volume of water at a time, which is independent of the container the fish is in. As the concentration of dissolved oxygen decreases (and that of dissolved carbon dioxide increases), oxygen from the air will dissolve (and carbon dioxide will escape from the water into the air) so that the oxygen concentration will stay more or less the same at all times.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I am sorry I misread your post, there will be same amount of oxygen available to the fish
 
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gerben said:
No, the container that contains most water contains most dissolved oxygen. There will be the same amount of dissolved oxygen per litre of water, so if there are less litres of water there will be less oxygen. This does however not matter for the fish in it (as long as the container is not too small), because the fish is using oxygen from only a little volume of water at a time, which is independent of the container the fish is in. As the concentration of dissolved oxygen decreases (and that of dissolved carbon dioxide increases), oxygen from the air will dissolve (and carbon dioxide will escape from the water into the air) so that the oxygen concentration will stay more or less the same at all times.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I am sorry I misread your post, there will be same amount of oxygen available to the fish

After reading gerben's post, was i correct or not?
 
needhelpperson said:
After reading gerben's post, was i correct or not?

Yes you were correct, the same amount of dissolved oxygen is available to the fish. This is the case because the amount of oxygen that is available to the fish depends on the concentration of the dissolved oxygen in the water which is the same in both containers. It does not depend on the total amount of water in the container.
 
Both containers start with the same DO concentration per unit volume (and that is what the fish breathes). The greater volume of water starts with a greater total mass of DO.

Although, as gerben said, atmospheric O2 will dissolve into the water to replenish the consumed DO, this process is not as efficient as the fish's respiratory system. In other words, if it's a small container (small area exposed to the atmosphere), the fish will use up DO faster than it is replaced by the atmosphere. So, the fish in the smaller volume may be in trouble a little bit sooner.

The wider the container mouth (i.e., more surface area exposed to the atmosphere) and the more agitation of the surface, the faster the DO replenishment from the atmosphere. So, the balance would depend on the size of the tank and the activity of the fish.

If the replenishment is totally/quickly efficient, then yeah, the 2 fish see the same DO concentration.
 

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