Is Kerry's Push for Higher MPG a Winning Debate Strategy?

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The discussion centers around John Kerry's proposal for higher miles per gallon (MPG) standards for automobiles and its potential impact on the debate against George Bush. Participants explore the implications of increased efficiency on energy savings, consumer prices, and broader economic effects.

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  • One participant predicts that Kerry's focus on efficiency will resonate well in debates, suggesting that energy savings could be reinvested in the economy.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about both candidates addressing the issue seriously, mentioning unrealistic proposals like hydrogen power.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the significant energy waste due to inefficient automobiles, arguing that improvements could lead to substantial energy savings for consumers and the economy.
  • Some participants engage in light banter about the vehicles owned by Kerry and Bush, indicating a shift from the main topic.

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Participants express mixed views on the effectiveness of Kerry's strategy. While some support his focus on MPG, others question the seriousness of both candidates regarding energy issues. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the topic.

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Some participants reference the influence of automobile efficiency on energy consumption and economic factors, but there are no detailed analyses or consensus on specific proposals or their feasibility.

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Kerry wants more efficiency with our automobiles. I predict he'll win on this point in the debates, if it's capitalized upon.

Why? Any energy saved because of more efficiently built autos is energy that could be directly invested in things elsewhere in the economy. The consumer price could go down, or the consumer price could go up proportionate to the amount of energy saved because of the increase in miles per gallon.

Either way, somebody comes out with energy to be applied where now it's being wasted by every auto not up to standard.

If the consumer spends less on fuel, they save, which increase their standard of living.

If the price goes up proportionate with more efficient autos, either the energy company or the government could take the savings and apply it to more intelligent forms in our infrastructure.

We could even distribute the energy savings. A little bit of savings for the consumer and some for the companies and some for the government would help all.

The idiots behind limiting the mpg are simple energy wasting fools on all grounds.

Anyone disagree or approve, that Kerry has got this point won in the debates hands down?
 
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Oh...I was going to comment on who's vehicle had the best MPG...Kerry's fleet of SUV's or Bush's pickup...but I see that's not what you're talking about at all...
 
omin said:
Anyone disagree or approve, that Kerry has got this point won in the debates hands down?
I don't think either candidate is seriously addressing the issue. Both are talking about unrealistic pipe dreams like hydrogen power, for example.

But certainly, if Kerry chooses, he can play up the whole Bush-is-in-big-oil's-pocket thing. He'd be wise to focus any response to an energy question on that.
 
We are all forced to vote on one candidate, if we want to vote. So, I have to take what they are saying relative to one another. I think Kerry has the right attitude on mpg. I have to assume they are taking it seriously.

The mass of automobiles comprise a huge amount of energy use and small changes in savings of energy on the entire infrastructure will leave Americans in genreal with a huge amount of energy to spend in an another way, instead of loosing it to waste. Every American works harder just because the engines aren't brought up to theire most efficient level and entropy of the system increases.

It's too big of a mass and amount of energy to not take seriously at their level of influence.
 
kat said:
Oh...I was going to comment on who's vehicle had the best MPG...Kerry's fleet of SUV's or Bush's pickup...but I see that's not what you're talking about at all...

I guess it's not, but I thought Kerry didn't himself own an SUV ? Hmmm, maybe that was a long time ago...
 
Gokul43201 said:
I guess it's not, but I thought Kerry didn't himself own an SUV ? Hmmm, maybe that was a long time ago...
Oh...oh...right, I forgot...it was the "families"! :smile:
 
Kat and mouse, eh ?
 
Gokul43201 said:
Kat and mouse, eh ?
Mmmmreeeoooww :wink:
 

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