Antiderivative Help: Solve x^2 (9-(x^2))^(1/2)

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The discussion revolves around finding an antiderivative for the expression (x^2)((9-(x^2))^(1/2)), which involves concepts from calculus, particularly integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various methods for integration, including trigonometric substitution and integration by parts. Some express uncertainty about the applicability of these methods given their current coursework.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different integration techniques, with some participants suggesting trigonometric substitutions while others question their familiarity with such methods. The discussion reflects a mix of approaches being considered without a clear consensus on a single method.

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One participant notes that their current coursework does not cover certain techniques like integration by parts or trigonometric substitution, raising questions about the feasibility of those methods within their learning scope.

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can anyone help me find an antiderivative for (x^2)((9-(x^2))^(1/2))
 
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When you see [itex]\sqrt{1- x^2}[/itex] or anything like that, you should think [itex]cos(x)=\sqrt{1- sin^2(x)}[/itex]- and use a trig substitution.

In this problem, factor a "9" out of the squareroot to get [itex]3x^2\sqrt{1- \frac{x^2}{9}}[/itex]. Now make the substitution x= 3sin(θ).

dx= 3cos(θ)dθ and [itex]\sqrt{1- \frac{x^2}{9}}[/itex] becomes [itex]\sqrt{1- sin^2(\theta)}= cos(\theta)[/itex]. The entire integrand becomes sin2(θ)cos2(θ)dθ. You will need to use trig substitutions to integrate that.
 
I think you may also be able to do it by parts if you let u=x and dv=the rest.
 
HallsofIvy said:
When you see [itex]\sqrt{1- x^2}[/itex] or anything like that, you should think [itex]cos(x)=\sqrt{1- sin^2(x)}[/itex]- and use a trig substitution.

In this problem, factor a "9" out of the squareroot to get [itex]3x^2\sqrt{1- \frac{x^2}{9}}[/itex]. Now make the substitution x= 3sin(θ).

dx= 3cos(θ)dθ and [itex]\sqrt{1- \frac{x^2}{9}}[/itex] becomes [itex]\sqrt{1- sin^2(\theta)}= cos(\theta)[/itex]. The entire integrand becomes sin2(θ)cos2(θ)dθ. You will need to use trig substitutions to integrate that.

Thanks a lot, i was really just wondering if it was possible to do with the scope of my year 12 specialist maths course, and it seems as i can't. As that substitution i am not familiar with and intergration by parts is not on the course, is there another way with only linear substitution, substitution by "u" or partial fractions?
 
There are a few different ways, you could use the + (a - a) method, by-parts and substitution. But at some point in all of them you are either going to have to make a trigonometric substitution or put it into standard form (which is also basically using a trig substitution but without the effort of workings). Quite simply because the anti derivative has inverse sine in it.
 

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