A possible view of curved space/time?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of space/time curvature in the context of general relativity (GR). Participants explore various interpretations and implications of curvature, gravitational effects, and the nature of space/time, including speculative ideas and personal theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the path of an object influenced by a force appears curved in inertial space/time, suggesting that observers in gravitational fields perceive inertial axes as curved.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that plotting time for an observer from the big bang results in a picture of space curved in the negative direction of time, potentially leading to concepts of accelerated expansion and black hole formation anchoring singularities in time.
  • A participant questions the necessity of establishing an absolute reference to understand the implications of negative time curvature.
  • There is a discussion about whether the perceived curvature of inertial axes contradicts the observation of length contraction for moving objects, with some arguing that the world line of an accelerating observer is indeed curved.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the reality of space/time curvature, suggesting it may be an artifact of the mathematical framework of GR rather than a physical reality, proposing an alternative concept involving spin fields.
  • Another participant expresses interest in visualizing the concepts discussed, indicating that diagrams could aid understanding.
  • Participants share personal theories and ideas, with some indicating that they belong to a theory development subforum and inviting comments on their work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views on the nature of space/time curvature, with no consensus reached. Participants express differing interpretations of gravitational effects and the implications of general relativity.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of gravitational effects and the mathematical descriptions of GR, which may not be universally accepted or understood. The discussion includes speculative ideas that have not been fully developed or mathematically formalized.

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Hi all,

Is this a valid view of space/time curvature.

The path of an object under influence of a force has a curved trajectory in inertial space/time. Therefore, the inertial axes appear curved to an observer traveling on the curved trajectory. In the same way, an observer in a gravitational field will perceive the inertial axes to be curved.

Thanx

juju
 
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Hi all,

I noticed an interesting idea about GR.

If you plot the time for an observer in any point in space on the time axis of time from the big bang, you get a picture of space curved in the negative direction of time.

This also gives expansion of the gravitational space/time with respect to time from the big bang.

If you add expansion to space itself you can get accelerated expansion.

The formation of black holes will anchor the singularity in time creating more expansion.

juju
 
In the first part, you have to unless an absolute k is established and then here you go and reflect how that negative in time appears simple.
 
Hi Taoist,

Yes, but isn't this how things will appear to an observer in that portion of space/time that has undergone the least relative gravitational time dilation. (relative to a flat space observer)

juju
 
Hi Juju,
this "the inertial axes appear curved to an observer traveling on the curved trajectory" contradicts

"A" will see the rod as shorter in regards to a traveling "B" but if observing "B" within its velocity with no longer see the effect
 
hey taoist,

I see no contradiction. The world line of the accelerating observer is curved in inertial space/time, so to the observer it is the inertial axes that appear curved.

The shortened distance requirements just appear at every point in the trajectory at the instantaeous velocity.

juju
 
JuJu,
a delima of product use especially when the black whole established a point adding the new demenision.

what is your objective?

T
 
hey taoist,

I have no point. Just a temporary fleeting point of view. Just like to share the look.

juju
 
Juju,

I enjoy your depth and thought maybe you we working on something specific

T
 
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hey taoist,

My view is that space/time is not really curved. That the idea of curvature is an artifact of the mathematics of GR used to describe gravity.

It's not that GR is wrong. But the idea that space/time is really curved may be wrong.

I believe that this idea arose because the general structure of the gavitational field was unknown and is still unkown. So space/time curvature was employed as a substitute.

I am working on a concept that uses spin fields rising from both a scaler and a vector field and defined on the vector field.

I will probably not get to the specific math that eventually must be associated with this, but I think it can incorporate all the forces we know of today.

juju
 
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Remember that if you post your private theory here, it will be moved to theory development.
 
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selfAdjoint said:
Remember that if you post your private theory here, it will be moved to theory development.

Hey dude,

All I did was give a non-standard view of GR and answer a question about where it came from.

What's the hassle.

juju.
 
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Hello JuJu,

THeory development is where I belong. I just completed Mother Earth's Dynamo Theory and sent it up for review/ I would enjoy your comments and other's. Sure would like the books rewritten to offer the next generation a proper view.

selfadjoint are you administering this thread? and where do I find "theory development"

Thanx
 
  • #14
Theory Development is https://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12, It's a subforum of General Physics.
 
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Hey juju any chance you can draw me a picture ?

I understand views better if I can see them form the same point as the initial viewer

cheers
 
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Hi Ringo Kid,

Here's the visualization I used in my head.

Consider a time axis with its origin at the big bang. Then have the space axis perpendicular to this. Place each space point on an axis parallel to the time axis. Make the time passed since the big bang for each point in space be the time that would have been measured by an observer at that point since the big bang, with all the time dilation factors

This produced some very interesting speculations.

I also did a similar mapping using radial time axes for each point in space. This was even weirder.

juju
 

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