I think science too much, apparently.


by 1MileCrash
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Dec7-10, 06:35 AM
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"Ceteris paribus" wasn't in the question, so, to me, there is ambiguity. Also, "worse" can be subjective. I'd ask for some criteria and rules for testing (amount of blood, depth of cut, how long it takes to heal, etc.) to avoid any shenanigans.
Right. Worse to my mind actually means less efficient, i.e. not a clean cut. I'd rather cut my cheese or vegetables with a sharp knife, not a dull one. A dull one would be "worse." Poorly worded question.

But when your GF asks you a question like that, it is more a matter of psychology and diplomacy than of science to find the proper response. It's not about too little or too much science. I have read that the difference between a nerd and a geek is that a geek is smart but doesn't lack social skills. It's ok to be geeky.

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Your friend's girlfriend got it wrong. She has poor comprehension skills.

The saying is that you are more likley to cut yourself with a dull knife because you need to apply more pressure and the knife is more likely to slip and cut you.

His girlfriend = Fail
That sounds good in theory, but I don't think it's true. First of all, dull isn't defined. I've never cut myself with a dull knife, it's always been a sharp knife. But the reason I say I've never cut myself with a dull knife is because if I cut myself with it, then I'm unlikely to conclude that it's dull. I may have cut myself with a dull knife, but then again, if it's dull, how did it cut me? Apparently it's not dull enough not to cut me.
Spoons are dull. I've never cut myself on one of those.
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No, other people don't think science enough.
my thought's exactly.
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The girl got the message wrong or was told wrong. Here is what she was probably told in class, since this is told to everyone that goes to a cooking class.

Always use a sharp knife! You are more likely to cut yourself with a dull knife than a sharp one, because a dull knife requires you to use more force to get the job done.
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My cooking knives are sharp enough to shave hair off your arm with. That's for a reason. They are safer to use, since you use a LOT less force to perform a task than you would have to exert when using a dull knife.

For very heavy tasks, I have a Chicago Cutlery butcher's knife and an antique cleaver. Those blades are kept sharp, but not at so fine an angle that the edge would roll when separating joints or breaking up turkey carcasses. The edges are more obtuse than the edges on chefs knives or paring knives, just for the sake of durability and low maintenance. Dull knives in a busy kitchen are a recipe for accidents.
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Now I'm starting to wonder if there might be something wrong with me after all. Even though 1MileCrash specified home ec, my first and strongest thought about the question regards fighting knives rather than culinary ones.
My favourite, that I always carried in a "shoulder holster", was an 1896 Swedish Mauser bayonette with a 10 1/2" blade. The tip was razor-sharp for penetration, as were a couple of centimetres next to the hilt for cutting things like ropes. The rest was dull, almost ragged, for maximum tissue damage, with an awesome blood groove. I honestly think that I would rather be shot than stabbed with that thing. (Not that I really want either, though.)
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I think your girlfriend might be retarded.

I suggest trying the 'zoo test' to confirm diagnosis.
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I run into this problem ALLLL the time. And then when i try to explain why I answered like I did, and its really that they didn't ask the right question, i get the "Whatever" response. Its so annoying and frustrating.
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I run into this problem ALLLL the time. And then when i try to explain why I answered like I did, and its really that they didn't ask the right question, i get the "Whatever" response. Its so annoying and frustrating.
Which is why I've learnt who is worth having such a discussion with and who I'm better off just agreeing with and letting the matter go.
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Which is why I've learnt who is worth having such a discussion with and who I'm better off just agreeing with and letting the matter go.
I think i still need to learn that lesson.
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Dec11-10, 10:00 AM
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They should probably give college courses for math and science majors on "dealing with non math and science people." It's easy to become elitist or arrogant when you are versed on a topic that others are not. It is the bane of the tech support analysts existence to have to deal with "stupid people" (who aren't necessarily stupid, just non computer savvy) all day, and the good ones know how to do it without alienating their clients, friends, wives, girlfriends...

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Quote Quote by dkotschessaa View Post
they should probably give college courses for math and science majors on "dealing with non math and science people." it's easy to become elitist or arrogant when you are versed on a topic that others are not. It is the bane of the tech support analysts existence to have to deal with "stupid people" (who aren't necessarily stupid, just non computer savvy) all day, and the good ones know how to do it without alienating their clients, friends, wives, girlfriends...

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Perhaps by thinking more relationally this sort of conflict can be avoided for you in the future. She was probably not thinking in "I'm right and you're wrong" terms (at least initially).
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For clarification this is my friend's girlfriend, not mine.
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My friend's girlfriend asked us a question from one of her home ec classes to stump us. I'm sure you've all heard it before.

"What will give you a worse cut, a dull knife, or a sharp knife."

My response: "a sharp knife, because obviously, its narrower edge allows it to split materials more efficiently (it can be thought of as a wedge..)"

She responds, proudly: "Nope! With a dull knife you aren't paying attention because you think that since it's dull it won't cut you, so you're more likely to mess up and cut yourself."

A friend responds: "Yeah, you just aren't thinking deep enough into it."

I explain to them: "No, I think it's more of the fact that I don't see how it make sense to make a judgment call on the person handling two materials when trying to compare two materials."

I was thinking science too much, they said. And perhaps they are right. When I hear this question asked I want an experiment set up where there are no mysterious variables like the snotty disposition of the person while using the dull knife. I want the same event repeated with the dull and sharp knives.

It's like saying "which is more malleable, gold or nickel?" Nickel, because you assume gold is more malleable so you hit it harder, which breaks it. Therefore nickel is more malleable than gold.
Obviously they are not capable to think in a logical way or think in a rigid way. They can not distinguish differences between definitions (more likely to cut you and more capable to make a deep cut). By any chance, did they get no or very few training in math/physics?


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