Electric field, mathematical problem

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem related to the derivation of the electric field formula, specifically focusing on the transition from the expression involving the magnitude of the vector r to its application in the electric field equation. The context includes mathematical reasoning and clarification of concepts related to electric fields.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the derivation of the electric field from the formula presented in a linked image, specifically questioning the treatment of the vector r.
  • Another participant explains that the vector r represents the distance from the point charge to the observation point and describes how to derive the unit vector from r.
  • A participant questions the transition from r^2 to r^3 in the electric field equation.
  • Further clarification is provided that multiplying the magnitude of the electric field by the unit vector results in the r^3 term appearing in the denominator of the equation.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the mathematical derivation, with participants seeking clarification and providing explanations without reaching a consensus on the initial participant's confusion.

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The discussion does not resolve the initial participant's confusion about the derivation steps, and assumptions regarding the treatment of constants and variables are not explicitly stated.

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hi :) it's me again. This is my second question in a few days, w/o being able to help anyone else, hope to be not too much pretentious :biggrin:

my doubt this time regards the mathematical passage underneath the formula (23) of this speech:

http://scarface.ngi.it/elet.jpg

disregard the text part because i don't think it's helpful in an english forum :biggrin: it just introduces the electric field and its properties.
The fact is I cannot understand the derivation done from the E formula, i thought that the thing to do was just derivating r (that, considering an orthogonal system with the origin in the (x0,y0,z0) point, is (x^2+y^2+z^2)^1/2) because i had to consider the rest as costant so out of the derivation but it isn't it.. any help? thanks :smile:
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Could you explain your problem a little more? The vector r goes from the co-ordinates of the point charge to the the point (x,y,z) where you want to find the electric field. It has magnitude [tex]|r| = \sqrt{\left( x - x_0 \right) + \left( y - y_0 \right) + \left( z - z_0 \right)}[/tex]. So if we divide r by this number, we have the vector of unit length pointing from the point charge to (x,y,z). We multiply this by the magnitude of the field, [tex]\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^2}[/tex] so that the field intensity is [tex]\frac{q \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \r^2 \r } = \frac{q \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3} = \frac{q \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{1}{\left[ \left( x - x_0 \right)^2 + \left( y - y_0 \right)^2 + \left( z - z_0 \right) \right]^{ \frac{3}{2} }}[/tex].
 
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why you pass from r^2 to r^3 ? :rolleyes:
 
Multiply the magnitude of the field by the vector per unit length, which is [tex]\frac{\vec{r}}{r}[/tex]. You get a [tex]r^3[/tex] at the bottom and the [tex]\vec{r}[/tex] at the top.

So, you get [tex]E = \frac{q \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3}[/tex]

Then, you just substitute in for r :smile:
 

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