How can I simplify these integration problems using trigonometric substitutions?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying integration problems using trigonometric substitutions. Participants explore various approaches to handle definite integrals with specific limits and expressions involving square roots and trigonometric identities.

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  • One participant presents three integration problems involving square roots and asks whether trigonometric substitutions should be used and what the variable "u" should be.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric identities and proposes a substitution for the first integral, indicating that it can be simplified by factoring out a term in the radical.
  • A different participant recommends specific substitutions for each integral: for the first, using \(u = a \sin(x)\) or \(u = a \cos(x)\); for the second, \(u = b^{1/2} \tan(x)\); and for the third, \(u = b^{1/2} \sec(x)\). They caution about the importance of considering the signs of the functions involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes recognizing specific forms of square roots and suggests corresponding trigonometric identities that could be useful for simplification.

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Participants present multiple approaches and substitutions for the integration problems, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method. The discussion remains open with various suggestions and techniques proposed.

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Some participants mention specific trigonometric identities and substitutions without resolving the implications of these choices on the integrals. There is also a lack of clarity on the handling of limits and the signs of functions in the proposed substitutions.

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(1) [tex]\alpha(t-t_{0})=\int_{R_{0}}^{R(\Theta)}\frac{du}{u\sqrt{a^ 2-u^2}}[/tex]

(2) [tex]\beta(t-t_{0})=\int_{R_{0}}^{R(\Theta)}\frac{du}{u\sqrt{u^ 2+b}}[/tex]

(3) [tex]\beta(t-t_{0})=\int_{R_{0}}^{R(\Theta)}\frac{du}{u\sqrt{u^ 2-b}}[/tex]

Should I use trig subs? If so, what should my "u" be? :frown:
 
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i've not done integrals with the limits and equalities such as you have posted, but, the definite integrals are easy enough.

use the trig identities sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1

for the first problem, let a = u sin x, da = u cos x
from there, you can see that you can factor out a u^2 in the radical sign. you are left with sin^2 x - 1, which equals cos^2 x. the square root of cos^2 x is cos x.
now you should have definite integral of 1/(sin^2 x cos x)
use power reduction to simpliy sin^2 x in terms of cos. i got to go to class now, sorry. if nobody has gotten to it in 4 hours from now, i'll be back. and also learn the tex commands so this is readable
 
for the first one use [tex]u=asin(x)[/tex] or [tex]u=acos(x)[/tex]
second one [tex]u=b^{1/2}tan(x)[/tex]
third [tex]u=b^{1/2}sec(x)[/tex]

you must be very carefull with the sign of the functions thoug, remember that
[tex](x^2)^{1/2}=|x|[/tex]
 
thank you!
 
In general, if you see [itex]\srqt{1- x^2}[/itex] you should immediately think "cos2= 1- sin2".

If you see [itex]\sqrt{1+ x^2}[/itex] you should immediately think "1+ tan2= sec2".

If you see [itex]\sqrt{x^2- 1}[/itex] you should immediately think "sec2- 1= tan2".
 

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