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| Jan17-11, 08:10 AM | #35 |
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Covectors
Yes. Finally :)
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| Jan17-11, 11:21 AM | #36 |
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So the question is asking us to show that [latex]u_{[a;b}u_{c]}=0[/latex], correct? Well we know that this spacetime will have energy momentum tensor [latex]T_{ab}=(\rho+p)u_au_b+pg_{ab}[/latex] So we have [latex]T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p) u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b}[/latex] since [latex]g_{ac;b}=0[/latex] Then I tried writing [latex]u_{[a;b}u_{c]}[/latex] in terms of [latex]T[/latex]'s but it didn't get me anywhere. Can you give me a hint please? |
| Jan17-11, 11:48 AM | #37 |
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The hint is to consider a full antisymmetrization on all 3 terms of (1). |
| Jan18-11, 03:28 PM | #38 |
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[latex]T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p)(u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b})[/latex] Anyway, I get a ridiculously long expression: [latex]T_{ac;b}+T_{cb;a}+T_{ba;c}-T_{ca;b}-T_{ab;c}-T_{bc;a}=(\rho+p)(u_{a;b}u_c+u_{b;c}u_a+u_{c;a}u_b-u_{b;a}u_c-u_{a;c}u_b-U_{c;b}u_a+u_au_{c;b}+u_cu_{b;a}+u_bu_{a;c}-u_cu_{a;b}-u_au_{b;c}-u_bu_{c;a}[/latex] But all the terms on the RHS cancel and so [latex]\Rightarrow T_{[ac;b]}=0[/latex] But if [latex]T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p)(u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b})[/latex] then we can conclude [latex]u_{[a;b}u_{c]}+u_{[a}u_{c;b]}=0[/latex] which isn't quite what we want is it? We want to show [latex]u_{[a;b}u_{c]}=0[/latex], no? |
| Jan18-11, 04:29 PM | #39 |
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The energy momentum tensor is the RHS of the Einstein field equations, so it must be a symmetric second order tensor. Antisymmetrizing over the 2 free indices it would give 0. It's no need to give a proof for it. It's a trivial thing.
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| Jan18-11, 04:58 PM | #40 |
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| Jan18-11, 05:04 PM | #41 |
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The last point of this problem is really nice. I'll give you a hint: What does it mean for the 4-velocity u_a to be parallel to a covariant Killing vector k_a ? After that, I tell you that the solution of the problem involves the Einstein equations.
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| Jan19-11, 03:57 AM | #42 |
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Now the Einstein equations read: [latex]8 \pi ( \rho + p) u_a u_b + 8 \pi p g_{ab} = R_{ab} - \frac{1}{2} R g_{ab}[/latex] The only constructive thing I can think to do with this is to antisymmetrise it. This tells us [latex]u_au_b=0[/latex] i.e. the product [latex]u_au_b[/latex] is symmetric but I'm not sure that really helps, does it? |
| Jan19-11, 05:25 AM | #43 |
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If they're parallel, then they must have the same direction, which mean that they (up to the modulus) should coincide when subject to a parallel transport.
This means that there exists a constant 'p' such that [tex] k_a = p u_a [/tex] This means that everything you have proven for [itex]k_a[/itex] applies for [itex]u_a [/itex]. |
| Jan19-11, 09:37 AM | #44 |
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How do we go from the fact that [latex]T_{ab}=(\rho + p) u_au_b + pg_{ab}[/latex] to deducing that [latex]u_a[/latex] and [latex]k_a[/latex] are parallel? Thanks and sorry for dragging this out! |
| Jan19-11, 04:47 PM | #45 |
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The hint I'm giving you is to use Einstein's equation, one of the points already proved in the problem and one more fact: you know that in R^3 euclidean geometry, 2 vectors are paralel iff their cross product is 0.
This last fact can be extended to the space-time geometry determined by the existence of that particular T_ab. |
| Jan20-11, 11:11 AM | #46 |
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| Jan20-11, 12:09 PM | #47 |
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You need to use the following things
1. [tex] E_{ab} = kT_{ab} [/tex] 2. [tex] k_{a} R^{a}_{~[b} k_{c]} = 0 [/tex] 3. [tex] \mbox{a ext b} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \mbox{a} = \lambda \mbox{b} [/tex] 3. contains the 1-forms a and b, lambda is a 0-form. |
| Jan21-11, 10:29 AM | #48 |
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Starting from [latex]R_{ab}-\frac{1}{2}Rg_{ab}=8 \pi \rho u_au_b + 8 \pi p u_au_b + 8 \pi pg_{ab}[/latex], what should I do next? Antisymmetrise? Or Raise an index with a metric and then contract with [latex]k_a[/latex]? Or something else entirely? Thanks. |
| Jan21-11, 10:42 AM | #49 |
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To use 2. you have to enter the Ricci curvature in terms of the 4-velocity. Can you do that ?
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| Jan21-11, 11:42 AM | #50 |
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[latex]R_{ab}=8 \pi ( \rho + p) u_au_b + ( 8 \pi p + \frac{1}{2} R) g_{ab}[/latex] [latex]R^a{}_b=8 \pi ( \rho + p) u^a u_b + (8 \pi p + \frac{1}{2} R) \delta^a{}_b[/latex] |
| Jan21-11, 01:17 PM | #51 |
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The separation is not fully done (there's some explicit and some implicit dependence of the Ricci tensor of u), however the second equation will lead you to a successful use of 1. and 2. in what I wrote above.
So post your final equation. |
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