Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 6 YTBN Shot, Killed In Tuscon AZ

Evo

The it's an offshoot, I guess you could say.

nismaratwork

Well, I don't hate Palin, but I think you'd count me as a "Palin Hater", and I think she has nothing to do with this. I loathe Glenn Beck, but he didn't do this either. You can talk in generalities, but you're talking to me and I don't have those views you describe.

So, we know this guy was insane, and we know he fits the pattern of someone is also violent. It's reasonable to assume that there was a trigger in his life for this, but I'd guess it was something that occurred in his life; moving back home, school, women onset of schizophrenia...etc. I think what Americans are finding so disturbing is that Loughner has the appearance of being a kind of violent incarnation of this poisonous political climate.

Let me make this easy: Look up what Giffords had to say about the map... it's NOT usual. Don't mistake the Bush W., and post period with the NORM of American politics. You seem very confident about an assessment that I can only describe as fatally flawed.

turbo

Can you dismember your rhetoric of US politics? If not, it is a bit disturbing to handle a Scandinavian-based diatribe with no pesronal motivation. Catch a clue here.

arildno

From what I know, the Tea Party is a rather extremist off-shoot of the Republican Party, that many Republicans are embarassed by.

DLC, however, is a pretty influential non-extremist sub-group in the Democratic Party that I do not think any Democrats should be ashamed of being politically affiliated with.

Nor with their "Target Strategy Map" with bullseyes painted on Republican targets.

nismaratwork

Another great argument why the pathology is more important than what the pathological person has to say. It's HOW they say it...

Besides, why kill Giffords of all people if he was truly politically motivated? Crazy with a capital SCREWY.

mheslep

Or Bill Clinton, Evan Bayh, ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democra...Council#Chairs

arildno

YOU are the one talking in generalities, not me.

I'm speaking of that target map from DLC.
Is that offensive to you? It shouldn't be.
Nor should the one from Palin be.

nismaratwork

Wow... suddenly mheslep and arildno forget the difference between causal and casual! I wonder what other organizations they're members of... does that mean that every organization they're part of is an offshoot of the DNC?

Arildno: The Tea Party is... the tea party. Period... as much as I'd love to believe that they're an "offshoot" of the RNC. I'd say the Tea Party is, if anything, the Fox News party, and opposed to some extent to the GOP... which is odd.

DevilsAvocado

CNN: The attack was planed.

WhoWee

I'm a little confused - do you have a link with Glenn Beck telling anyone to shoot a politician? I've heard him say the exact opposite.

nismaratwork

Hmmm... that SS reference really stung huh? I'm not offended by the target map, but the, I'm not easily offended. In fact, it takes something like an ex-members views on rape to really get me offended, or something equally atrocious.

The Palin map doesn't offend me either... it's... almost as though you haven't read my posts at all. I'm in the: Loughner is INSANE camp... your side-discussion is meaningless tripe I have no stake in. Forstår? Arroganse. Antagelser. Føl skam.

Proton Soup

at this point, i'm leaning in the direction of she was simply convenient. but i'm sure a more complete picture will evolve soon. i've been trying to avoid a discussion of his political beliefs, but based on his videos, i think they're leaning in a libertarian direction.

DevilsAvocado

wath is das wroung whith de smarta Greta from das hgigh mönoutingh inn das goutten Schaandinavina ploiticla gennnuies!?!?

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nismaratwork

I think you're right, with the exception that I don't think someone with the level of thought disturbance evident in his writing can be said to have politics.

nismaratwork

Do you also agree with arildno that the Tea Party is an offshoot of the GOP, of which that august body is now ashamed?

arildno

Of course I don't read what you write any longer. Because you PLAY GAMES.

It was DevilsAvocado and yourself who brought this damn map into this thread to begin with, (with wagging fingers at Palin.)

Ivan Seeking

The tea party is whatever you want it to be. There is no "party". There are no designated leaders. There is no reasoned platform. There is no accountability to voters or reality. It is just a bunch of angry people lapping up the hype from Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, and anyone else yelling into a microphone and exploiting our precious right to freedom of speech, for money.

To me, what probably matters more than any definite link between Palin or Fox, and this shooting, is the fact that there could be one. They have made their beds. They chose to exploit the masses. They chose to lie; to exploit fear and anger. Now they have to live with the consequences of their actions. There will always be a question in people's minds as to whether Palin caused this or not. It will never go away.