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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 6 YTBN Shot, Killed In Tuscon AZ

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Do you also agree with arildno that the Tea Party is an offshoot of the GOP, of which that august body is now ashamed?
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A terrible and horrible tragedy...

And serious guys – why all this ballistic talk...?? WTF is going on??? This will keep me awake tonight:

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona, was on Palin's infamous "target" map (Updated)

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Oh man... I really really hope, as much as it seems like a fair hypothesis, that such things had nothing to do with this. I really do.

I should note, I was incorrect about the name of the shooter: it is: Jared Lee Laughner, 22 years old, weapons recovered. We'll probably have more answers than anyone wants soon, and hopefully I'm pessimistic and wrong; this was not a bullet that penetrated her skull, and those still in danger won't die. I hope, but I doubt.
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Hmmm... that SS reference really stung huh? I'm not offended by the target map, but the, I'm not easily offended. In fact, it takes something like an ex-members views on rape to really get me offended, or something equally atrocious.

The Palin map doesn't offend me either... it's... almost as though you haven't read my posts at all. I'm in the: Loughner is INSANE camp... your side-discussion is meaningless tripe I have no stake in. Forstår? Arroganse. Antagelser. Føl skam.
Of course I don't read what you write any longer. Because you PLAY GAMES.

It was DevilsAvocado and yourself who brought this damn map into this thread to begin with, (with wagging fingers at Palin.)
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Wow... suddenly mheslep and arildno forget the difference between causal and casual! I wonder what other organizations they're members of... does that mean that every organization they're part of is an offshoot of the DNC?

Arildno: The Tea Party is... the tea party. Period... as much as I'd love to believe that they're an "offshoot" of the RNC. I'd say the Tea Party is, if anything, the Fox News party, and opposed to some extent to the GOP... which is odd.
The tea party is whatever you want it to be. There is no "party". There are no designated leaders. There is no reasoned platform. There is no accountability to voters or reality. It is just a bunch of angry people lapping up the hype from Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, and anyone else yelling into a microphone and exploiting our precious right to freedom of speech, for money.

To me, what probably matters more than any definite link between Palin or Fox, and this shooting, is the fact that there could be one. They have made their beds. They chose to exploit the masses. They chose to lie; to exploit fear and anger. Now they have to live with the consequences of their actions. There will always be a question in people's minds as to whether Palin caused this or not. It will never go away.
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I think you're right, with the exception that I don't think someone with the level of thought disturbance evident in his writing can be said to have politics.
i disagree, but i also don't want to come across like i'm blaming libertarians for him just because i think he was bent in that direction. their mainstream ideology rejects the use of force, anyway.
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Jan9-11, 08:23 PM
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I'm a little confused - do you have a link with Glenn Beck telling anyone to shoot a politician? I've heard him say the exact opposite.
It’s very easy to get a little confused if you just bump in and hit on the first post you see, without getting the full context in earlier posts.
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Jan9-11, 08:25 PM
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Of course I don't read what you write any longer. Because you PLAY GAMES.

It was DevilsAvocado and yourself who brought this damn map into this thread to begin with, not me. (with wagging fingers at Palin.)
I had nothing to do with the map, but you're right, I love games; I'm a big fan of Hearts, Egyptian Ratscrew, Go, and some videogames. Other than that, it seems that you've just melted down into insults.

So, joking aside, what games am I playing?! I've been pretty damned clear about my view on this, even if you can't be bothered to read Min Buhund gutt.
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Jan9-11, 08:26 PM
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i disagree, but i also don't want to come across like i'm blaming libertarians for him just because i think he was bent in that direction. their mainstream ideology rejects the use of force, anyway.
AFAIK you're correct, but again, I'm just not convinced that his mental status allows for something like a real ideology... then again you said leaning only. I guess we'll see over the coming months... as much as can be gleaned from this little ****.
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Jan9-11, 08:29 PM
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The tea party is whatever you want it to be. There is no "party". There are no designated leaders. There is no reasoned platform. There is no accountability to voters or reality. It is just a bunch of angry people lapping up the hype from Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, and anyone else yelling into a microphone and exploiting our precious right to freedom of speech, for money.

To me, what probably matters more than any definite link between Palin or Fox, and this shooting, is the fact that there could be one. They have made their beds. They chose to exploit the masses. They chose to lie; to exploit fear and anger. Now they have to live with the consequences of their actions. There will always be a question in people's minds as to whether Palin caused this or not. It will never go away.
Yes... this is going to be a political issue for a long time, but... I don't agree with you Ivan. I would if this guy didn't have the history he did in school and with the law and military, but as it is...

Why Giffords?... and really I think that trying to glean more than a general sense of his mental state from what we know is premature. I would be surprised if this turned out to be that simple to be honest... I think this guy had a grudge because of his failures vs. his perceived superiority.
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Jan9-11, 08:31 PM
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... Certainly if such a thing were true, it would be cause for concern, and violent revolution would be considered under this premise heroic. Is it true?
Well, the "Second Revolution" flag seems to be ready for delivery...



And I still haven’t got any answers on how Sarah Palin gets 30% in the polls...?

There seems to be some hope and no hope:

nismaratwork
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Jan9-11, 08:32 PM
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Wow... what the hell is that flag?! That looks like the confederate flag, the US flag, and the union jack ****ed a centurion.
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Jan9-11, 08:35 PM
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Why Giffords?...
He got a letter from her...
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Jan9-11, 08:36 PM
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The most likely reason why this crazy guy shot Giffords was that she was a down-to-earth politician who liked to mingle freely among her voters. An irresistible magnet to a guy who thought that through the control of grammar, politicians exercised mind control. Finally, he could come close to one of them.

And no, IvanSeeking, Sarah Palin had nothing whasoever to do with this killing, however much you desire that connection to exist.
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Jan9-11, 08:38 PM
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Wow... what the hell is that flag?!
And I thought you guys were the experts here!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
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Jan9-11, 08:38 PM
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He got a letter from her...
I thought that was just a mass-mailing? I honestly don't know, but why would she send him a personal letter? God, if he just picked her because of a mailing... ugly... that is UGLY.

arildno: Now THAT... makes sense. Access, and the ability to vilify her given time... yeah, that works.
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Jan9-11, 08:39 PM
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And I thought you guys were the experts here!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
Oh man, we have to LIVE with these nuts... I try not to pay attention to them outside of PF discussions... too upsetting.

...and thanks for the link... I SHOULD have known that one.
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Jan9-11, 08:46 PM
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I don't think Jared Lee Loughner had any particular antipathy to Gabrielle Giffords at all.

If he had had that, he would have ranted about it on Youtube and MySpace, and we had heard about it already.

We DO however, have a message that he could feel like killing a...policeman.

Now, what a mouth-watering event it would be to him that a high-ranking, "evil" politician would come close to where he lived, who, moreover, didn't have any bodyguards. Now THAT would make a better target than anyone else, wouldn't it?

The whole massacre was apolitical.
That is why, for example, it is sheer malevolence from people like Paul Krugman in the New York Times to link him up to the Palin crowd.
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Jan9-11, 08:48 PM
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...and thanks for the link... I SHOULD have known that one.
It's cool. :)

CNN: Shooter was turned down when buying ammo at Wal-Mart.
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Jan9-11, 08:51 PM
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I thought that was just a mass-mailing?
"A letter" was all I heard from CNN, maybe mass-mail, don’t know...


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