How do I solve this integral: int[1/(x*sqrt(x^2-1))]dx?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral int[1/(x*sqrt(x^2-1))]dx, specifically from the lower boundary of 1 to the upper boundary of infinity. Participants explore various methods of integration, including substitution techniques and different interpretations of the integral's limits.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the integral and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant proposes that the integral diverges to -1/2ln(0), suggesting that ln(0) is undefined, leading to no answer.
  • A different participant claims to have evaluated the integral to be Pi/2, relating it to arctan(sqrt(x^2-1).
  • One participant suggests a substitution method, letting y = x*sqrt(x^2-1), and integrates 1/y, but is questioned about integrating with respect to y instead of x.
  • Another participant points out the need for a substitution and provides a detailed u-substitution approach, leading to an expression involving arctan.
  • A later reply corrects a typo in the substitution method but maintains that the result remains valid.
  • One participant questions the differentiation step in the substitution process, seeking clarification on the relationship between du and dx.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral can be recognized as arcsec|x|, leading to a similar conclusion of Pi/2.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the evaluation of the integral, with no consensus reached on the final result. Different methods and interpretations are debated, indicating a lack of agreement on the approach and outcome.

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Some participants' approaches depend on specific substitutions and interpretations of the integral's limits, which may not be universally accepted. There are unresolved mathematical steps and differing opinions on the validity of certain methods.

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[SOLVED] solving integrals

Hello, I need your help please?


It might seem obvious to you but I can't seem to get my head around how to solve this one.

int[1/(x*sqrt(x^2-1))]dx , from lower boundary =1, upper boundary = infinity.

Thanks indvance.
 
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Will need someone else to verify my answer but here goes nothing.
int[1/(x*sqrt(x^2-1))]dx , from lower boundary =1, upper boundary = infinity
the answer is: (replacing infinity with t) lim t->infinity[1/2ln(t^4-t^2)-1/2ln0]=
-1/2ln0, ln0 is undefined from this there is no answer.

Hope my answer is correct. (-:
 
I got Pi/2, and the integral to be arctan(√(x2-1). How did you approach this, LQG?
 
y=x*sqrt(x^2-1)
int[1/(x*sqrt(x^2-1))]dx
int[1/y]dx
as you know the inegral of 1/y=lny+c

what's wrong with it?
:smile:
 
∫1/ydy = ln(y)

You integrated w.r.t y, when you should have integrated w.r.t x. Try a substitution.
 
i see, what is your way to this problem?
 
First, let's use a u-substitution.

Let u = x2 - 1
x = √(u+1)

(u cannot be less than 0, so we can ignore the negative case)

Then, du/dx = 2x, so du = 1/2x

The integral ∫1/(x*√(x2-1)dx now becomes

∫1/(2u+2)√(u)du which simplifies to 1/2∫du/sqrt(u)(u+1)

Now, we notice something...if y = arctan(z), dy/dz = 1/(y2+1). So, if y = arctan(√z), dy/dz = 1/(2√z(z+1)), which looks exactly like our integral. Thus we now know 1/2∫du/sqrt(u)(u+1) = arctan(√u). (Can't think of a method that doesn't use foresight just yet).

Now, we have the problem of actually evaluating this from x = 1 to infinity. We shan't bother substituting u in terms of x. Instead, we work out the values of u at x=1 and infinity (0 and infinity respectively).

lim t-> infinity (arctan(t)) - arctan(0) = Pi/2 - 0 = Pi/2, since the tangent function approaches infinity as the angle approaches Pi/2 radians.
 
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Originally posted by Lonewolf
First, let's use a u-substitution.

Let u = x2 - 1
x = √(u-1)

(u cannot be less than 0, so we can ignore the negative case)

Then, du/dx = 2x, so du = 1/2x

The integral ∫1/(x*√(x2-1)dx now becomes

∫1/(2u+2)√(u)du which simplifies to 1/2∫du/sqrt(u)(u+1)

Now, we notice something...if y = arctan(z), dy/dz = 1/(y2+1). So, if y = arctan(√z), dy/dz = 1/(2√z(z+1)), which looks exactly like our integral. Thus we now know 1/2∫du/sqrt(u)(u+1) = arctan(√u). (Can't think of a method that doesn't use foresight just yet).

Now, we have the problem of actually evaluating this from x = 1 to infinity. We shan't bother substituting u in terms of x. Instead, we work out the values of u at x=1 and infinity (0 and infinity respectively).

lim t-> infinity (arctan(t)) - arctan(0) = Pi/2 - 0 = Pi/2, since the tangent function approaches infinity as the angle approaches Pi/2 radians.
You have a mistake it should be x=(u+1)^1/2
 
Yes, it should. Well spotted. Just a typo though, the result holds. I'll go edit it.
 
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i don't understand how you got du/dx=2x
shouldnt it be: x^2-1/u+1?
 
  • #11
The substitution u = x2 - 1 was used. Differentiate this w.r.t. x to get du/dx. separate the differentials to get du in terms of dx. We need this to integrate in terms of du.
 
  • #12
this integral is made easiest by recognizing it's just arcsec|x| (abs bars or not depending on how you define arcsec)

arcsec(inf) - arcsec(1) = pi/2 - 0 = pi/2
 

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