Mars at its Closest: Separating Science from Entertainment

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The discussion centers around the upcoming close approach of Mars to Earth on the 27th of the month, exploring its visibility, brightness compared to the Moon, and the credibility of claims made by a guest on a television show. The conversation includes technical details about visual magnitude, misconceptions about Mars' appearance, and the impact of the Moon's phase on viewing conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Mars will be closer to Earth than it has been for several thousand years, but emphasize that this is not significantly different from other close oppositions that occur approximately every 15 years.
  • One participant clarifies that Mars will have a visual magnitude of -2.88, while the Moon will be about 3.5 times brighter at a magnitude of -5.06, and that a full moon would be around 6000 times brighter than Mars.
  • Another participant corrects a misconception about Mars appearing as bright as the Moon, explaining that this arises from misinterpretation of a story regarding magnification through a telescope.
  • There is discussion about the Moon's visibility during its new phase, with participants agreeing that it will still reflect some light, albeit minimal, which will not interfere with viewing Mars.
  • Humor is introduced regarding the scientific credibility of the television guest and the nature of the show, with participants sharing anecdotes about the guest's eccentric behavior and comments made during the segment.

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Participants generally agree on the technical details regarding the brightness and visibility of Mars and the Moon, but there are differing interpretations of the implications of these details, particularly regarding the misconceptions about Mars' brightness compared to the Moon. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall significance of Mars' close approach.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of visual magnitude and assumptions about viewing conditions, such as the Moon's phase and its effect on visibility. The discussion includes references to media portrayals and public misconceptions that may not be universally accepted.

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Individuals interested in astronomy, particularly those curious about planetary visibility, the effects of lunar phases on stargazing, and the impact of media representations on public understanding of scientific topics.

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So, i was on vacation and watching the New Tom Green Show, (which is much better than the old one imho) and this absolutely hilarious theoretical physicist guy was on and he was talking about how on the 27th of this month that Mars will be closest to the Earth than it's been in... i forget how long, but it was a lot of years. He said it would be like as bright as the moon! Then he started talking about life on Mars and a lot of other stuff which made me unsure about his credibility.

Anyways, anyone who knows about this Mars thing fill me in if you would. It'd be a site to see I'm sure.
 
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While it is true that on the 27th, Earth and Mars will be closer to each other than they have been for several thousand years, It isn't that much of a difference from any other close opposition (Which occur at about 15 year intervals)

At that time, Mars will have a visual magnitude of -2.88. The more negative the magnitude, the brighter the object. On that night, the Moon will have a magnitude of -5.06, which on the magnitude scale means it will be about 3 1/2 times brighter that Mars. But this is only because the Moon will not be near a full moon on that night.

A full moon has a magnitude of -12.5 or so, making it about 6000 times brighter than Mars will be at its closest.
 
Originally posted by Gale17
He said it would be like as bright as the moon! Then he started talking about life on Mars and a lot of other stuff which made me unsure about his credibility.
This (common) misconception comes from misreading an AP story that says (correctly) when viewed under 75x MAGNIFICATION THROUGH A TELESCOPE, Mars will appear as large as the Moon TO THE NAKED EYE.

Further discussion http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7410

Also, though Mars will be its closest in about 60,000 years, it is not substantailly closer than it comes every 2.5 years. It only varies by a few percent and in 1971 it was less than 1% further than it is now - close enough that the difference would barely have been noticeable through the Hubble Space Telescope (the highest resolution telescope we have). This and other misconceptions/media overhype discussed HERE
Its a neat thing and I'll have my telescope out as soon as the damn weather clears up, but its nothing Earthshattering.
 
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Originally posted by Janus
While it is true that on the 27th, Earth and Mars will be closer to each other than they have been for several thousand years, It isn't that much of a difference from any other close opposition (Which occur at about 15 year intervals)

At that time, Mars will have a visual magnitude of -2.88. The more negative the magnitude, the brighter the object. On that night, the Moon will have a magnitude of -5.06, which on the magnitude scale means it will be about 3 1/2 times brighter that Mars. But this is only because the Moon will not be near a full moon on that night.

A full moon has a magnitude of -12.5 or so, making it about 6000 times brighter than Mars will be at its closest.

isn't the 27th a new moon?
 
Originally posted by kleinma
isn't the 27th a new moon?

Yes, but even on the Night of a new moon, the Moon will reflect some light.

For instance, at 12:00 am on the 27th, the moon will have the Magnitude listed and about .9 percent of its sun lit face will be visible. This will cause it to be about 3.5 time brighter than Mars at that time.
 
Originally posted by Janus
Yes, but even on the Night of a new moon, the Moon will reflect some light.

For instance, at 12:00 am on the 27th, the moon will have the Magnitude listed and about .9 percent of its sun lit face will be visible. This will cause it to be about 3.5 time brighter than Mars at that time.
True, true. But, the moon will be setting "with" the sun and will be totally out of the way to distract, with any light problem, from a view of Mars or anything else we want to view at that night.
 
Originally posted by Labguy
True, true. But, the moon will be setting "with" the sun and will be totally out of the way to distract, with any light problem, from a view of Mars or anything else we want to view at that night.

My remarks were aimed at the original comment that Mars would be as bright as the Moon.
 
Originally posted by Janus
My remarks were aimed at the original comment that Mars would be as bright as the Moon.
Oh, I know that, it was obvious and accurate. I was only trying to point out to any "first-timers" that the moonlight would not "compete" with any view of Mars.
 
I'm sure Tom Green has a rigorous screening process for the scientific credibility of his guests. :wink:

So, how many "Uranus" jokes did he make?

Welcome to PF, Gale17! Always good to have another Granite Stater around. :smile:
 
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I'm sure Tom Green has a rigorous screening process for the scientific credibility of his guests.


So, how many "Uranus" jokes did he make?

Welcome to PF, Gale17! Always good to have another Granite Stater around.

haha, i know, the guy started talking about weird things and showed those really old pictures of that face on mars. he didn't seem all there. tom green just liked him cause he looked funny and talked crazy. and your right about the uranus jokes, once the old guy started talking about Mars all tom would say is tell me about uranus, or he'd touch the model solar system and be like, woo I'm touching uranus. it was pretty funny, but yeah, i got my hopes up thinking that Mars would be huge. ah well, it was entertaining.
 

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