Converse of Lagrange's Theorem is false

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In summary, the conversation revolves around the example in Gallian where it is stated that the group A_4 of order 12 has no subgroups of order 6. The person is struggling to understand how this relates to the converse of Lagrange's Theorem. The other person explains that the converse of Lagrange's theorem is false and provides an example from the book to illustrate this. They also mention Cauchy's theorem and clarify that there is no complete converse to the Lagrange theorem.
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This is not a homework problem. In Gallian, there is an example given:

The group A_4 of order 12 has no subgroups of order 6. I can't seem to understand what this means in terms of how this is the "converse" of Lagrange's Theorem.
 
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A converse of Lagrange's theorem would say for every divisor of the order of group, there's a subgroup of that order. It's false. Apparently.
 
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Hmm...okay. So here's a problem in the book that I think applies this concept. Prove that group order of 12 must have an element of order 2. This problem uses the converse, because 12|1,2,3,4,6,12. But by Lagrange we can say that order of 2 is definitely there. But to prove that order 3 is not a possibility, we can use the converse to make a contradiction: for every divisor of the order of the group, there's a subgroup of order 12. I hope this makes sense!
 
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They didn't use a "converse to the Lagrange theorem". They used Cauchy's theorem, which is that if p is prime and divides the order of G then there is a subgroup of order p. There is no complete converse to the Lagrange theorem. Which is what they are trying to tell you. 6 isn't prime. There is a subgroup of order 3.
 

1. What is Converse of Lagrange's Theorem?

The Converse of Lagrange's Theorem is a mathematical theorem that states that if a group has a certain order, then any subgroup of that group must also have a factor of that order.

2. How is the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem used?

The Converse of Lagrange's Theorem is used in group theory and abstract algebra to analyze the structure of groups and subgroups.

3. Is the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem always true?

No, the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem is not always true. There are some cases where it does not hold, and this is known as the "False Converse of Lagrange's Theorem."

4. What are some examples of when the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem is false?

An example of when the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem is false is when the group has a prime order, but the subgroup does not have a factor of that prime order. Another example is when the subgroup has a larger order than the group.

5. Why is it important to understand the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem?

Understanding the Converse of Lagrange's Theorem allows for a better understanding of group theory and abstract algebra. It also helps identify cases where the theorem may not hold, which can lead to further study and development of new mathematical concepts and theories.

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