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| Apr8-11, 04:12 AM | #3282 |
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Japan Earthquake: nuclear plantshttp://markey.house.gov/docs/4-6-11m...ima_unit_2.pdf http://markey.house.gov/docs/4-6-11....ima_unit_2.pdf So we can hardly consider them as concurring evidence but rather direct sourcing of the reported information. The information being Based on radiation readings in the drywell and the torus, the NRC staff speculates that part of the Unit 2 core may be out of the reactor pressure vessel and may be in the lower space of thedrywell. Lower radiation readings in the torus suggest that there is not core material in the torus. Open to argumentation |
| Apr8-11, 04:18 AM | #3283 |
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EDIT Ok, it appears that its Astronuc who is correct about unit 4 containment, from the images in this linked METI document: http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/...10408004-3.pdf Thank you to both for replying |
| Apr8-11, 04:22 AM | #3284 |
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I have a question,... The reporter in the video gets to within a few km of the power plant, (can't tell but I think he's south of it) and the dosimeter reads 106uS/Hr. He's holding the dosimeter at chest height. Now will that be mainly gammas from wherever or airbourne particulates giving alpha and Beta? or could be a combination of both. AND would a ground reading (putting meter on the ground) be significantly higher. If he was told a max of two hours then two and a half then an extra half hour isn't going to make that much difference, unless that half hour was at the area of highest activity. Must say I really feel for the dogs. |
| Apr8-11, 04:23 AM | #3285 |
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What this mean: radiation in drywell go from 30Sv (from previous nisa report) to 100Sv in newest report ?
source: http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/...10408004-3.pdf |
| Apr8-11, 04:37 AM | #3286 |
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| Apr8-11, 04:42 AM | #3287 |
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It look that N2 wasnt good idea... 100Sv wow
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| Apr8-11, 04:52 AM | #3288 |
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Look at page 21 at the Areva Document http://fairewinds.com/sites/default/...0Fukushima.pdf There you can see venting into the containment. And you can read "Release of unfiltered venting?" Does Dr. Matthias Braun from the French-German nuclear power firm Areva not know for sure what is in Fukushima plant or was is not there? |
| Apr8-11, 04:57 AM | #3289 |
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Temperature & Activity trend inversion looks simultaneous to N2 injection, which started 24 hours before the quake. (April 07 01h31 JST from Tepco) 100 Sv is what they had in Units #2 & #3 drywells on 15/18 March, now 3 weeks ago. |
| Apr8-11, 05:09 AM | #3290 |
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| Apr8-11, 05:14 AM | #3291 |
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| Apr8-11, 05:30 AM | #3292 |
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You made a simple estimation of the amount of radioactivity released to the ocean by one(!) leakage. It is probably an overestimation but nevertheless it shows that we have to expect a huge amount of radioactivity released to the ground and the ocean. I don't think anybody can quantify this amount at the moment. There was a report in the news of a simulation done by French scientists (not the Areva thing, that analysis was performed by the German division of Areva). The analysis was performed and published a few days after the accident and they reported that ~10% of Chernobyl accident has been released in the first days of the Fukushima accident. But it could be much more in my opinion: what damage was done by the earth quake? You wouldn't expect the leakage in the cable channel from a "normal" accident. And what about the fuel pools? There are now speculations that a part of the core has melted through the RPV. .... I think it cannot be excluded the we already exceeded Chernobyl. The impact on the people is less severe because only a minor part was deposited to populated areas. So there is plenty of room for speculations! |
| Apr8-11, 05:42 AM | #3293 |
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http://www.gyldengrisgaard.dk/fukmon/ I attempt to keep these data sets updated with the most recent data from the Japanese METI site: http://www.meti.go.jp/press/ |
| Apr8-11, 05:42 AM | #3294 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uo07Qf6F7E
Another interesting video inside the zone, if a bit over the top at the end. |
| Apr8-11, 05:52 AM | #3295 |
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I do not believe we have different opinion , as Astroduc pointed out according to the Japanese released information Units 2-5 are based on GE MK1 BWR/4. I have no reason do dispute this information. having said that Unit 4 GE MK1 BWR/4 used the advanced primary containment, this information was hinted by a Japanese engineer (who's name I've currently forgot but did mentioned in a previous post) Engineer who toke part in the built of the Unit 4 (and only 4). Furthermore when looking at the blue print that I found I can not help but notice that those blue print seems to fit better unit 1 and 3 but less so 4( no proper analysis is possible on 2). As mentioned earlier I'll gladly assume similarity until better material is provided |
| Apr8-11, 06:12 AM | #3296 |
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There was steam, as well as black & grey smoke coming out directly from the RPV during the first week, much later the SFP South of it began to give off steam. The "(70degC)" figure you're quoting is from the Ministry of Defense of Japan operation with CH-47 hovering 3000 feet above the plant, facing West and taking those thermal images - their press releases contain those figures with hilarious arrows pointing who-knows-where, they might as well be pointing to a bucket full of liquid nitrogen. First week photo Unit 3: ![]() Second week ![]() No water in the containment or RPV on the 2.5-3rd week inside reactor 3, SPF steaming, tho: ![]() Fred, N-S line runs along the coast, please sort out your directions, before replying. Unit 4 blown hole: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/810/unit4sfp.jpg There was a lot of insider information not available to the general public, but you can't hide contaminated soil out to 50 km for long. |
| Apr8-11, 06:12 AM | #3297 |
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I don't write down my sources I got those information from a page somewhere one Hitachi web site, and a concurring hint on GE web page . could not find the Hitachi page .. managed to google the GE |
| Apr8-11, 06:52 AM | #3298 |
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fascinating Tokaimura accident (INES level 4) which I don't remeber so can't have been highly publicised?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident |
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