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Can someone explain why book use a vector to explain angular frequency of rotation? 
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Mar1211, 06:55 PM

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This is an example from the book and it is not a homework. There is one part of the step I just don't get. This is the question on page 236 of Griffiths "Introduction to Electrodynamics":
Example 5.11 A spherical shell, of radius R, carrying a uniform surface charge [itex] \rho [/itex], is set spinning at angular velocity [itex]\omega[/itex]. Find vector magnetic potential it produces at a point r. The book setup so the point is on the z axis and let the sphere spin on axis in the xz plane where the axis of spin make an angle [itex]\psi[/itex] with the +ve z axis. The equation used is: [tex]\vec A \;=\; \frac {\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_{s'} \frac {\rho \vec v }{\sqrt { R^2 +r^2 2Rrcos \theta'}} dv' [/tex] [tex] \vec v \;=\; \vec {\omega} \;X\; \vec r \;' \;\hbox { where }\; \vec {\omega} =\hat x [\omega \;sin (\psi)] + \hat z [\omega \;cos (\psi)] [/tex] (1) I don't understand how the book arrive to (1) My question is how do you go from a sphere spinning on the axis at direction of [itex]( \omega sin \psi, 0, \omega cos \psi )[/itex] to just a vector of [itex] \omega[/itex]? Can anyone explain to me how they arrive the velocity vector [itex]\vec v[/itex]? Thanks 


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Mar1311, 06:47 AM

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hi yungman!
(have an omega: ω ) if the angular velocity of a body is the vector ω, then the velocity of a point at position vector r is ω x r 


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Mar1311, 04:33 PM

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I got the info on Wikipedia. What class is the angular velocity taught? I thought I have enough math background for the Griffiths' book after I study PDE!!! Thanks for your time. Alan 


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Mar1311, 04:40 PM

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Can someone explain why book use a vector to explain angular frequency of rotation?



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Mar1311, 05:55 PM

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For instantaneous rotation about a fixed axis, a (skewsymmetric) operator takes a point in the fixed frame and maps it to the velocity in the fixed frame: [tex]\left(\begin{array}{c} \dot{q_1}\\ \dot{q_2}\\ \dot{q_3} \end{array} \right) = \left( \begin{array}{ccc} 0 & \omega_3 & \omega_2\\ \omega_3 & 0 & \omega_1 \\ \omega_2 & \omega_1 & 0 \end{array} \right) \left(\begin{array}{c} q_1\\ q_2 \\ q_3 \end{array} \right) [/tex] Or as noted: [tex]\dot{\vec{q}}=\vec{\omega} \mbox{x} \vec{q} [/tex] 


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Mar1511, 11:43 PM

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Mar1611, 01:16 AM

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I have a second question from this same problem. I followed and worked out all the way to get A at the point both inside and outside of the rotating charged sphere R>r and r>R resp.
The book than want to get the more general solution where they let [itex]\vec {\omega} [/itex] be on the zaxis and the point be any random point (x,y,z). I cannot verify what the book's answer. Please help. From calculation as in my original post where the point [itex]P_{\vec r} [/itex] is on the zaxis and the [itex]\vec {\omega} [/itex] is in the xz plane making angle [itex] \psi [/itex] with the zaxis as shown in post #1: [tex]\vec A_{(\vec r)} = \hat y \frac {R^4 \omega \rho_s \mu_0 sin \psi }{3r^2} \;\hbox { for r bigger than R.} [/tex] (3) [tex]\vec A_{(\vec r)} = \hat y \frac {R r \omega \rho_s \mu_0 sin \psi }{3} \;\hbox { for R bigger than r.} [/tex] (4) [tex]\vec{\omega} \;X\; \vec r \;=\; \hat y r \omega sin \psi [/tex] Substitude into (3) & (4) [tex]\vec A_{(\vec r)} = \frac {R^4 \rho_s \mu_0 }{3r^2} (\vec{\omega} \;X\; \vec r) \;\hbox { for r bigger than R.} [/tex] (5) [tex]\vec A_{(\vec r)} = \frac {R \rho_s \mu_0 }{3} (\vec{\omega} \;X\; \vec r) \;\hbox { for R bigger than r.} [/tex] (6) The above is in rectangular coordinates, the answer is consistance with the book so it is correct. The next step is where I get lost. The book want to derive the formulas for the point P in any position with [itex]\vec \omega [/itex] on zaxis. The book gave this as answer: [tex]\vec A_{(r,\theta, \phi)} \;=\; \hat {\phi}\; \frac {R^4 \rho_s \mu_0 \omega sin \theta}{3r^2} \;\hbox { for r bigger than R.} [/tex] (7) [tex]\vec A_{(r,\theta, \phi)} \;=\; \hat {\phi}\; \frac {R \rho_s \mu_0 \omega r sin \theta}{3} \;\hbox { for R bigger than r.} [/tex] (8) Below is what I tried to do and I just cannot get the answer of the book's example: From (5) & (6), the vector position is only contained in [itex] (\vec {\omega} \;X\; \vec r) [/itex]. So I just have to calculate this cross product in spherical coordinates with [itex]\vec {\omega}[/itex] on zaxis and [itex] \vec r_{(R,\theta,\phi)} = (r_R, r_{\theta}, r_{\phi})[/itex]. To convert [itex] \vec{\omega} = \hat z \omega [/itex] in rectangular coordinates to spherical coordinates, I use: [tex]\hat R =\hat x sin \theta cos \phi \;+\; \hat y sin \theta sin \phi \;+\; \hat z cos \theta, \;\;\;\hat {\theta} =\hat x cos \theta cos \phi \;+\; \hat y cos \theta sin \phi \;\; \hat z sin \theta, \;\;\;\hat {\phi} =\hat x sin \phi \;+\; \hat y cos \phi [/tex] To find each of the magnitude of each components of [itex]\vec{\omega}[/itex] in spherical coordiantes: [tex]\omega_R \;=\; \vec {\omega} \cdot \hat R = \omega cos \theta, \;\;\;\omega_{\theta} \;=\; \vec {\omega} \cdot \hat {\theta} = \omega sin \theta, \;\;\;\omega_{\phi} \;=\; \vec {\omega} \cdot \hat {\phi} = 0 [/tex] [tex]\vec {\omega}_{(x,y,z)}= \hat z {\omega} \;\Rightarrow\; \theta =0 \;\Rightarrow\; sin \theta =0,\;\; cos \theta =1[/tex] [tex]\Rightarrow \; \vec {\omega} _{(R,\theta,\phi)} \;=\; \hat R \omega, \;\;\hbox { and from above }\; \vec r_{(R,\theta,\phi)} = (r_R, r_{\theta}, r_{\phi})[/tex] [tex] \vec {\omega}_{(R,\theta,\phi)} \;X\; \vec r_{(R,\theta,\phi)} \;= \;\hat {\theta} \omega r_{\phi} \;+\;\hat {\phi} \omega r_{\theta}[/tex] As you can see, I have all three components instead of what the book's answer that only contain the [itex]\hat {\phi}[/itex] component in (7) & (8). What did I do wrong? I double check my work on the conversion already. Please help. Thanks Alan 


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