Preparing Physics Tournament Project: Wind-Powered Car Design

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The discussion revolves around designing a wind-powered car for a physics tournament, specifically focusing on propulsion methods that allow the car to move straight into the wind. Participants explore various concepts related to aerodynamics and efficiency, referencing principles such as Bernoulli's principle and conservation of momentum.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster suggests using Bernoulli's principle to create a pressure differential for propulsion and describes a design involving angled cups for wind capture. Others propose alternative designs, such as a horizontal windmill, and question the feasibility of using Bernoulli's principle to move directly into the wind.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's ideas, questioning the assumptions behind the proposed methods, and exploring the implications of aerodynamic principles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the efficiency of different designs, particularly the cupped windmill versus a traditional windmill setup.

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The project is intended for high school students, with an emphasis on collaboration and consultation with professors for further development. There are constraints regarding the requirement to present and defend their ideas and lab results.

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Now it's time for me and a friend to prepare our project for a physics tournament in school.
The task is:
Construct a car which is proppelled solely by wind energy. The car should be able to drive !straight! into the wind. Determine the efficiency of the car.
I would like some ideas for an efficient solution. I have researched how boats do it. They can't sail straight into the wind they can only zig zag, which is not sufficient.
My idea was to use bernouli's principle which is the one that aircrafts use. Create a low pressure in the front of the car and height pressure behind it, this might be able to move it forward.
My friends idea was to use, i don't know what you call it... umm it consists of three cups

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Something like that, it's three cups placed with angles of 60 degrees. This module always rotates no matter from which direction the wind is coming. This might be used to drive some kind of axel which then moves the wheels...

Any ideas or suggestions?

We are in high school, but the project is supposed to be solved with help of others, we are to consult with professors later on. Our task is mainly to make a final presentation of our ideas and lab results and then to present and defend them.
 
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Looks like a good idea. In practice, it may be easier for you to use four instead of three cups. Bernouli's principle won't allow you to go into the wind.

If you will only be going into the wind, you could mount the windmill horizontally, and spare yourself the trouble of building an angle drive.
 
For the windmill that was the idea, could you explain why bernoulli's principle won't let me go into the wind?

Guess we'll try building the windmill then, less we find another solution.
 
ponjavic said:
For the windmill that was the idea, could you explain why bernoulli's principle won't let me go into the wind?

First off, it's not entirely correct that you could not use bernouli's principle - but you'd end up building a windmill, and the cupped version is more efficient.

The bernoulli principle generates a force in a direction perpendicular to the airflow. Going into the airflow, the beroulli principle won't provide any force in the direction you want to travel.
 
Damnit! :P
Yup i see now how the windmill is using bernoulli's principle.
What do you think about vertical and horizontal windmills?

Could you explain why i cannot create a low pressure point in front of the car and a high one behind it. I understand that i cannot but why?
 
ponjavic said:
Could you explain why i cannot create a low pressure point in front of the car and a high one behind it. I understand that i cannot but why?

Well, there's lots of ways to think about it. Here's a rather simple one:

Conservation of momentum -- your car is going to be slowing down the wind that hits it. That means that something is going to have to 'eat' the mometum. Since the car needs to forward, the only real choice is the ground. That means that any purely aerodynamic approach is going to fail.
 

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