Rocket Fired in Deep Space: Calculating Exhaust Gas Speed

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The problem involves a rocket fired in deep space, focusing on the calculation of the exhaust gas speed relative to the rocket. The context includes considerations of negligible gravity and the mass ejection of the rocket.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and the relationship between the rocket's mass, acceleration, and the speed of the exhaust gas. Questions arise regarding the need for initial velocity to solve for the exhaust speed.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with multiple participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have provided insights into the conservation of momentum approach, while others express uncertainty about the ability to solve for the exhaust gas speed without additional information.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the mass ejection ratio and the specific acceleration of the rocket, which may influence the calculations. Participants also reflect on the expectations of providing prior work or attempts in the discussion.

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A rocket is fired in deep space, where gravity is negligible. In the first second it ejects (1/160) of its mass as exhaust gas and has an acceleration of 15.3 m/s^2.

What is the speed V(gas) of the exhaust gas relative to the rocket?
 
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can anyone help me out?
 
Does this equation look familiar to you?

[tex]v = v_e \ln \frac {M_0}{M}[/tex]
 
More fundamentally, use conservation of momentum. Take the initial values of the mass and speed of the rocket to be M and v. The initial momentum is Mv. After ejecting (1/160)M, the rocket's mass is (159/160) M. Since it accelerated at 15.3 m/s2 for 1 sec. , it gained 15.3 m/s: it's final speed is v+15.3 and it's final momentum is (159/160)M(v+15.3). The expelled gas has mass (1/160)M and, with velocity -V (opposite to the direction of the rocket) so its momentum is -(1/160)MV.

By conservation of momentum, we must have
(159/160)M(v+15.3)- (1/160)MV= Mv. I don't see any way of solving for V without knowing v (just as Tide's equation required ve).
 
HallsofIvy said:
More fundamentally, use conservation of momentum. Take the initial values of the mass and speed of the rocket to be M and v. The initial momentum is Mv. After ejecting (1/160)M, the rocket's mass is (159/160) M. Since it accelerated at 15.3 m/s2 for 1 sec. , it gained 15.3 m/s: it's final speed is v+15.3 and it's final momentum is (159/160)M(v+15.3). The expelled gas has mass (1/160)M and, with velocity -V (opposite to the direction of the rocket) so its momentum is -(1/160)MV.

By conservation of momentum, we must have
(159/160)M(v+15.3)- (1/160)MV= Mv. I don't see any way of solving for V without knowing v (just as Tide's equation required ve).

Hey Hallsofivy! Now I've noticed you don't ask the famous adage "What have you done till now?" and "show me what you've done!".

Times are changing...(nostalgia... :frown: )
 

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