Calculating the Dot Product: A*B

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the dot product of two vectors, A and B, specifically addressing the angle used in the calculation. Participants explore different methods for determining the angle between the vectors and clarify the application of the dot product formula.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the angles of the two vectors should be added or subtracted when calculating the dot product.
  • Another participant clarifies that the angle used in the dot product formula is the angle between the two vectors, not the angles with respect to the x-axis.
  • A participant provides an alternative formula for calculating the dot product that does not require the angle between the vectors.
  • One participant mentions using both the angle-based formula and the alternative formula to verify their answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial confusion regarding the angle calculation, but participants agree on the validity of both the angle-based and alternative methods for calculating the dot product.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the distinction between the angle with respect to the x-axis and the angle between the vectors, which may lead to confusion in applying the dot product formula.

Crauven
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I need some major help with some dot products. I was curious if when getting the dot product, you add the angles of each one to each other. I'll give the problem:

theta=(/)

Find A*B(dot product)
A=8.6i+5j
B=9.7i+2.6j

So i used the formula my teacher gave me to find the angle, theta, tan(/)=y/x. So i got the Angle for each:
tan(/)=5/8.6
(/)=tan^-1(5/8.6)
(/)=30.2

and then for B:
tan(/)=2.6/9.7
(/)=tan^-1(2.6/9.7)
(/)=15

So now, I am given two formulas to get the dot product
A*B=ABcos(/)
AB means the magnitude of A multiplied by the magnitude of B. I can get that, but it asks for one angle... what do I do? Add the two angles together? Or subtract them? I'm confused, please help!
 
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In the formula

[tex]\vec A \cdot \vec B = || \vec A || \, || \vec B || \cos \theta[/tex]

the angle [itex]\theta[/itex] is the angle between the two vectors. When you found the "angle" for each vector, what you were really finding was the angle between each vector and the positive x-axis. If one vector makes an angle of 30.2 degress with the positive x-axis, and the other makes an angle of 15 degrees, the angle between them is 30.2 - 15 = 15.2 degrees.

When it doubt, draw a picture! You'll see that the two vectors make an angle of 15.2 degrees between them.

- Warren
 
For the lazy among us, there's an alternative formula:
if
[tex]\vec{A}=<A_x,A_y>[/tex]
and
[tex]\vec{B}=<B_x,B_y>[/tex]
then
[tex]\vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}=A_xB_x+A_yB_y[/tex]
 
I use both formulas, the first that Warren mentioned to get the answer, then i use the lazy way to check it. Thanks guys!
 

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