Rotating Wedge & Rise of Mass: Speed Calculation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a rotating wedge and the motion of a mass rising up its frictionless surface. The participants are exploring the relationship between the mass's speed and the distance it rises, specifically in the context of centripetal force and gravitational components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the speed formula and question the assumption that the radius of the circular path is equal to the distance L. There are attempts to resolve forces acting on the mass and clarify the relationship between gravitational force and centripetal acceleration.

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Several participants have provided hints and insights regarding the equations involved, with some expressing confusion about specific components of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of different coordinate systems and their implications for the analysis, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and relationships of forces in the context of circular motion, particularly how to resolve the gravitational force acting on the mass along the incline. There is a noted lack of reference materials that clearly explain the equations being discussed.

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the sloping side is frictionless, it is spun at constant speed by rotating the wedge. show that when a mass rises up the wedge a distance L, the speed of the mass is v=sqr(gLsin0)
I got Fx=m(v^2/r) = mgsin0
v^2=g*sin0*r
can I say r=L ?
I got stuck, could you give me some hints thank you
 

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Hint: Gravity is the centirpetal force because it is pulling the block towards the center.
 
What is your specific problem with this? Tried resolving normal reaction in the right direction? Do you know what the radius of the circular path is?
 
Yes r will be L.

[tex]mgsin\theta = m \frac{v^2}{l}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{lgsin\theta} = v[/tex]
 
thank you, however, i do not quite understand why r=l. Could you please explain
 
Where you get the equation m(v^2/r)=mgsin0. I have search for many reference book but can't find this equation .Can you tell me ?
 
Cyclovenom said:
Yes r will be L.

[tex]mgsin\theta = m \frac{v^2}{l}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{lgsin\theta} = v[/tex]

In my analysis, I resolve the normal reaction in the horizontal and vertical direction. This gives,

[tex]N\cos\theta = mg[/tex]
[tex]N\sin\theta = \frac{mv^2}{l\cos\theta}[/tex]

I divide equation 2 by equation 1 to get

[tex]v^2 = gl\sin\theta[/tex]

Cheers
Vivek
 
Himura Kenshin said:
Where you get the equation m(v^2/r)=mgsin0. I have search for many reference book but can't find this equation .Can you tell me ?

mg sin theta is the component of the weight acting down the incline (resolve mg in two directions one parallel and the other perpendicular to the plane). Drawing a well labeled freebody diagram might help.
 
Yes Maverick, that's a correct analysys for the way your coordinate system was put, although i prefer your way than mine, because it is using the vertical coordinate system (most used in Circular Motion) rather than the inclined one.
 

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