Fixed action patterns Qand hopefully A.

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The discussion revolves around the fixed action patterns of nestling starlings in response to specific stimuli, particularly focusing on how the positioning of rods can influence their orientation behavior. Participants explore the implications of height and distance in eliciting these responses, as well as the concept of supernormal stimuli.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in condition B, the nestling starling would orient towards rod 1 due to it being higher and closer than rod 2.
  • In condition A, the same participant expresses uncertainty about which rod the starling would prefer, noting that the question does not clarify whether height or distance is more significant.
  • Another participant mentions the need to understand what constitutes a supernormal stimulus to better answer the question, implying that there may be factors influencing the starlings' responses that are not immediately clear.
  • A definition of supernormal stimulus is provided, explaining it as a stimulus that elicits a stronger response than a normal stimulus, with an example involving herring gulls.
  • There is a suggestion that both rods could be considered supernormal stimuli since they are narrower than a real beak, but the preferred choice remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of height versus distance in the orientation behavior of nestling starlings, and there is no consensus on which rod would be preferred in condition A. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of supernormal stimuli in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the original question regarding the relative importance of height and distance, as well as the ambiguity surrounding the concept of supernormal stimuli in relation to the starlings' responses.

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Hey people :smile: ,

I have a question.

Here is the Q:


Question 3: (4 points)

Many baby birds have specific feeding responses that are fixed action patterns elicited by a particular sign stimulus. Nestling starlings are more likely to make a fixed action pattern orienting response to an eliciting stimulus that is higher rather than lower and closer rather than farther away. One way that this can be demonstrated is to hold two thin rods near a nestling starling's head and record which rod the nestling orients towards.

Below are two side views of how you might hold the two rods near a nestling starling's head. In the space below, indicate for both conditions (i.e., A and B) which rod (i.e., 1 or 2) the nestling starling would most likely orient towards and why. Also, which rod position (i.e., A1, A2, B1, or B2) do you think would elicit the strongest fixed action pattern and why? Hint: consider supernormal stimuli.


Well here's my take on it.

in B, the answer is obvious it's 1, because the stimulus is higher and closer than 2.

But in A, it's a bit ambiguous because the question I don't think tells you which state of the stimulus, either closer or higher is more preferred. If I had to chose, I'd pick 1 because the bird obviously doesn't peck downwards for food, and food usu comes from above. :cool:

Thanks for any help!

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Winner said:
Hey people :smile: ,

I have a question.

Here is the Q:


Question 3: (4 points)

Many baby birds have specific feeding responses that are fixed action patterns elicited by a particular sign stimulus. Nestling starlings are more likely to make a fixed action pattern orienting response to an eliciting stimulus that is higher rather than lower and closer rather than farther away. One way that this can be demonstrated is to hold two thin rods near a nestling starling's head and record which rod the nestling orients towards.

Below are two side views of how you might hold the two rods near a nestling starling's head. In the space below, indicate for both conditions (i.e., A and B) which rod (i.e., 1 or 2) the nestling starling would most likely orient towards and why. Also, which rod position (i.e., A1, A2, B1, or B2) do you think would elicit the strongest fixed action pattern and why? Hint: consider supernormal stimuli.


Well here's my take on it.

in B, the answer is obvious it's 1, because the stimulus is higher and closer than 2.

But in A, it's a bit ambiguous because the question I don't think tells you which state of the stimulus, either closer or higher is more preferred. If I had to chose, I'd pick 1 because the bird obviously doesn't peck downwards for food, and food usu comes from above. :cool:

Thanks for any help!

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As you aren't told whether height has great impact than distance, I guess for A it would help to know what the supernormal stimulus is (which I suppose implies somthing that starlings are sensitive to that humans aren't). This will help answer the final part of the question too.
 
ok,

definition of supernormal stimulus

Supernormal stimulus: A stimulus that produces a more vigorous response than the normal stimulus eliciting that particular response. For example, a female herring gull will brood a giant egg in preference to its own eggs, which are smaller. A supernormal stimulus is an exaggerated sign stimulus.

I guess in this case both rods are supernormal because both are more narrow than a real beak and is an exaggeration of sign stimulus. But as to which is preferred I STILL don't know... :frown:
 
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