Will the asteroids eventually (re)form a 10th planet?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for the asteroid belt to coalesce into a planet, specifically whether it could form a body comparable in size to Mercury or Pluto. Participants explore the implications of gravitational influences, mass distribution, and historical formation theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the asteroid belt might gradually coalesce into a planet, despite the gravitational influence of Jupiter.
  • Others argue against this possibility, suggesting that the asteroid belt consists of building blocks that failed to form a planet, and cite several reasons: Jupiter's gravity, the distance between asteroids, and the periodic ejection of asteroids from the belt.
  • One participant adds that even if all the mass in the asteroid belt were to come together, it would still result in a body that is only asteroid-sized.
  • A later reply introduces a question about the accretion process of planets, specifically regarding Venus, and suggests that the differences in accretion orbits could explain its retrograde rotation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the Sun's gravitational effects, referred to as its 'warble,' on the dynamics of the asteroid belt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential for the asteroid belt to form a planet, with no consensus reached. Some support the idea while others provide counterarguments based on gravitational and mass considerations.

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Limitations include assumptions about gravitational influences, the mass distribution of the asteroid belt, and the historical context of planetary formation that remain unresolved.

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Despite Jupiter's gravitational tides, is the asteroid belt gradually coalescing into a planet(esimal) to rival Mercury (and Pluto) in size?
 
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I suspect the answer is no. First, it seems that the asteroid belt is not a former planet that was ripped apart, but instead is the building blocks that failed to form a planet. As for forming a planet in the future, I doubt it because (1) Jupiter's gravity will remain an issue, (2) the asteroids are too far apart, and (3) asteroids are periodically ejected from the belt.
 
Everything Phobos said, plus there's not enough mass in the asteroid belt. If all the mass came together into a single body, it would still be asteroid sized.
 
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And would this also put question marks here about the accretion of planets from grain orbits?

It is derived that the accretion from circular grain orbits gives a slow retrograde rotation. Consequently, if there is "some reason to assume that Venus has accreted in this way, its retrograde rotation might be explained".

and "If we can show that the planetesimals from which Venus accreted moved in more circular orbits than the bodies from which the other planets accreted we may solve the problem of the anomalous rotation of Venus. A suggestion along these lines has recently been made by Ip (1974a)"

(Ip, W., and A. Mendis, 1974. On the effect of accretion and fragmentation in interplanetary matter streams, Astrophys. Space Sci. 30: 233)

Why would the accretion of Venus be so much different than the other planets?
 
Please make sure that you include the suns 'warble' into your theory. It has a greater and more local effect on the inclusion and exclusion of material from the astroid belt.
 

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