What is the real part of a function like f(z)= √(z)?

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The discussion revolves around determining the real part of the complex function f(z) = √(z), where z is expressed as x + iy. Participants explore various methods for extracting the real part, including Taylor series expansion, polar coordinates, and the use of complex conjugates.

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  • One participant suggests using Taylor's series to separate the real and imaginary parts, noting the importance of convergence.
  • Another proposes that the real part can be calculated using the formula Re(f) = (f + f*)/2, where f* is the complex conjugate of f.
  • It is mentioned that if x and y are treated as real numbers, the real part can be expressed as sqrt(A) cos(θ/2), assuming a polar representation.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to distinguish between the real and imaginary parts of the variable z and the function value, suggesting the use of u and v for clarity.
  • One participant argues that without understanding other functions beyond f(z) = z, it is challenging to derive the real part of f(z) = √(z). They provide an example using f(z) = z² to illustrate how to find real and imaginary parts.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous points but questions a potential error regarding the identification of the real and imaginary parts in a specific statement.

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Participants express differing views on the methods for determining the real part of the function, and there is no consensus on a single approach. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of their approaches, such as the dependence on the convergence of Taylor series and the need for clarity in distinguishing between different types of parts of the function.

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I'm used to seeing a function like:

[tex]\textbf{f}=x+iy \text[/tex]

where

[tex]i = \sqrt{-1}[/tex]

and understanding the the real part is:

[tex]\text{Re[f]} = x = Acos\theta[/tex]

What, though, is the real part of a function like, for example,

[tex]\textbf{f}=\sqrt{x+iy}[/tex]

??
 
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Expand in Taylor's series, paying attention to powers of i, and separate terms with i out to get two series for the real and imaginary parts. This only works where the TS converges absolutely. Where is that?
 
[tex]Re(f)=\frac{f+f^*}{2}[/tex]
where [tex]f^*[/tex] is the complex-conjugate of f.

So, [tex] \begin{align*}<br /> Re(\sqrt{x+iy})&=\frac{(\sqrt{x+iy})+(\sqrt{x+iy})^*}{2}\\<br /> &=\frac{\sqrt{x+iy}+\sqrt{x-iy}}{2}<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Additionally, you could write [tex]x+iy[/tex] in polar coordinates.
Then, do the above.
 
Since it looks like you're assuming the x and y are real and using the notation x = A cos(theta), y= A sin(theta) then the answer is just,

sqrt(A) cos(theta / 2)
 
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You need to be more careful in distinguishing between the "real and imaginary parts" of the variable z= x+ iy, and the "real and imaginary parts" of the function value. Most textbooks write f(z)= u+ iv so that u is the real part and v the imaginary part of f: is z= x+ iy then u(x,y) and v(x,y) are real valued functions of the real variables of x and y.
 
uart said:
Since it looks like you're assuming the x and y are real and using the notation x = A cos(theta), y= A sin(theta) then the answer is just,

sqrt(A) cos(theta / 2)

If I am (and I am) going to use polar forms, the
general function:

[tex]\textbf{f}=x+iy[/tex]

has the magnitude:

[tex]|\textbf{f}|=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/tex]

with

[tex]x = Acos\theta \text{ and } y = Asin\theta[/tex]

[tex]\text{BUT, I have the form: } \textbf{f}=\sqrt{x+iy} \text{ , NOT }\textbf{f}=x+iy[/tex]

So how do I make use of

[tex]|\textbf{f}|=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/tex]

since I don't have a function in the form of
[tex]\textbf{f}=x+iy[/tex]

??
 
Have you simply ignored what everyone has said?

"I don't have a function in the form of f= x+ iy" is just saying you don't have the identity function: f(z)= z.

You're not going to be able to do very much is f(z)= z is the only function you know how to work with!

Suppose f(z)= z2. Then, writing z= x+iy, f(z)= (x+ iy)2=
x2+ 2ixy+ y2(i2)= (x2- y2)+ (2xy)i.
The real part of f is x2- y2 and the imaginary part of f is 2xy.

f(z)= √(z) is a little harder just because it is harder to calculate the value. It would probably be best to write z in polar form:
z= x+iy= r(cos(θ)+ i sin(θ)). The f(z)= √(z)= r1/2(cos(θ/2)+ i sin(θ/2)). The real part of f is r1/2cos(θ/2) and the real part is r1/2sin(θ/2).
 
Got it -- thanks!

Although I think you meant "imaginary" rather than "real"
in the following:

HallsofIvy said:
... and the real part is r1/2sin(θ/2).


HallsofIvy said:
Have you simply ignored what everyone has said?

"I don't have a function in the form of f= x+ iy" is just saying you don't have the identity function: f(z)= z.

You're not going to be able to do very much is f(z)= z is the only function you know how to work with!

Suppose f(z)= z2. Then, writing z= x+iy, f(z)= (x+ iy)2=
x2+ 2ixy+ y2(i2)= (x2- y2)+ (2xy)i.
The real part of f is x2- y2 and the imaginary part of f is 2xy.

f(z)= √(z) is a little harder just because it is harder to calculate the value. It would probably be best to write z in polar form:
z= x+iy= r(cos(θ)+ i sin(θ)). The f(z)= √(z)= r1/2(cos(θ/2)+ i sin(θ/2)). The real part of f is r1/2cos(θ/2) and the real part is r1/2sin(θ/2).
 

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