Would the Series Converge if 2 Were Replaced by e?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series Σ(2^k)(k!)/(k^k) and the implications of replacing the constant 2 with e. Participants explore methods for determining convergence, particularly in the context of their calculus studies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the series converged with 2 and diverged with 3, questioning the behavior with e instead.
  • Another participant suggests the use of the n-th root test and mentions Stirling's approximation as a potential method for analysis.
  • A participant provides an approximation for k! using Stirling's approximation, indicating that the series appears to diverge.
  • Another participant agrees with the divergence conclusion and suggests that a lower bound on n! could lead to a similar result.

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Participants express differing views on the methods to determine convergence, with some suggesting that the series diverges based on approximations, while others focus on the challenges at the boundary of convergence tests. No consensus is reached regarding the behavior of the series when replacing 2 with e.

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Participants mention limitations in their current methods and understanding, particularly regarding the application of Stirling's approximation and the handling of factorials. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the convergence behavior at the boundary.

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Okay, in my Calc class, we're going through infinite series right now, with respect to convergence and divergence. Well, one problem we had was the one badly formatted below (sorry).

Σ(2^k)(k!)/(k^k)

Now, we determined that this series converged, and that if the two had been a three, it would've diverged. My question is, if the two had been e instead, would the series converge or diverge, and how would one go about determining this? The question was raised in class with the ever so helpful answer of "we can't determine that with the methods that we have gone over thus far." Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hrm, presuambly you used the n-th root test with Stirling's approximation? Convergence problems are usually a lot more difficult at the boundary. :frown:

There are improved forms of Stirling's approximation; maybe using one of those would shed light on the problem?
 
Hmm...
[tex]\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{2^k k!}{k^k}[/tex]
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/StirlingsApproximation.html
Has an approximation that gives
[tex]k! \approx \sqrt{(2n+\frac{1}{3})\pi}k^ke^{-k}[/tex]
so
[tex]\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{2^k k!}{k^k}\approx \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \sqrt{(2n+\frac{1}{3})\pi}[/tex]

which is pretty obviously divergent.
 
Oh, right, you can use the lower bound on n!, and can probably get a formula like Nate's which diverges.
 
NateTG said:
Hmm...
[tex]\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{2^k k!}{k^k}[/tex]
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/StirlingsApproximation.html
Has an approximation that gives
[tex]k! \approx \sqrt{(2n+\frac{1}{3})\pi}k^ke^{-k}[/tex]
so
[tex]\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{2^k k!}{k^k}\approx \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \sqrt{(2n+\frac{1}{3})\pi}[/tex]

which is pretty obviously divergent.

Okay...

First, thank you.

Second, that version is a lot prettier than how I entered it... Have to look into that.

Third, that would've been a decent amount simpler if I had known that alternative to factorials. Yeah, we haven't done that...

*ponders what would happen if he pulled that on a test...*
 

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