Torque/acceleration with masses on pulley

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The problem involves two masses connected by a cord over a pulley, with a focus on calculating the acceleration of the system and the tensions in the cord. The subject area includes dynamics, torque, and rotational motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations based on torque and forces acting on the masses. They express concern about the correctness of their approach and the negative value for acceleration they calculated.
  • Some participants question the sign convention used in the equations, suggesting that a consistent approach is necessary for clarity.
  • Others express uncertainty about how to relate the tensions in the cord to the torque acting on the pulley.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. There is a focus on clarifying the sign convention and ensuring that the equations are set up correctly. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for consistency in the sign convention.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem setup, including the relationships between tension, torque, and acceleration. There is an indication that the original poster is hesitant to proceed without confirming their initial approach.

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Wer are given two objects of mass m1 = .20 kg and m2 = .67 kg, which are connected by a massless cord that is wrapped around a uniform disk of mass M = 0.50 kg and radius R = 0.12 m. The disk can rotate without friction about a fixed horizontal axis through its center; the cord cannot slip on the disk. The system is released from rest.

(a) Find the magnitude of the acceleration of the blocks____m/s2
(b) Find the tension T1 in the cord at the left____ N
(c) Find the tension T2 in the cord at the right____N
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well so far i have three equations - clockwise motion
1) T2*R - T1*R = I*alpha = net torque where alpha = a/R for pulley
2) T2 - m2*g = m2*a for mass on pulley
3) -T1 + m1*g = m1*a for mass on pulley

Then I solve 2) and 3) for respective tensions T2, T1 and substitute into 1) and solve for "a" I mean, am I close here or no? Cuz I don't want to write all of my solving out if I'm at the wrong starting point anyway...kinda messy... but I'm getting an answer of

a = - 7.429m/s2 but I get it as wrong. Don't have actual answer. Negative? So I'm guessing goes in opposite direction...?

Without correct a can't solve for T1 & T2 ... for answer a) since magnitude is being asked, even if acceleration is negative answer is +ve value.

I'd really appreciate some input on this questions! Thanks in advance!
 

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can anyone show me how to include a figure/graph in my question area instead of putting in as an attachment??
 
can anyone help on this one?

surely there is someone that can help out with this problem? i understand the concept of the torque acting with the forces, but i am unsure as to how i can relate this with the tensions! help anyone? i would really appreciate it!
 
sign problems

vtech said:
well so far i have three equations - clockwise motion
1) T2*R - T1*R = I*alpha = net torque where alpha = a/R for pulley
2) T2 - m2*g = m2*a for mass on pulley
3) -T1 + m1*g = m1*a for mass on pulley
You are mixing up the signs for the acceleration. You need to use a consistent sign convention. If you take up as positive, then the acceleration of m1 is up (+a), but the acceleration of m2 is down (-a). Rewrite equations 2 and 3.
 

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