Can a Linear Operator Define This Specific Polynomial Transformation?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a linear operator that can define a specific polynomial transformation involving real constants and natural numbers. Participants explore the formulation of this operator and its implications within the context of polynomial spaces.

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  • One participant questions the notation and suggests that the constants should be labeled as a_0, a_1, ..., a_n for clarity.
  • Another participant seeks to understand the transformation from one polynomial form to another and asks for the equation or formula that defines this function.
  • A different participant proposes a method to derive a function \Phi(x) that relates to the transformation, suggesting that it can be expressed as g(x)/f(x) under certain conditions.
  • There is a clarification on the nature of the function f, with an emphasis on its linearity and how it operates on polynomials of degree n or less.
  • One participant points out that if \Phi is to be a constant, then all coefficients on the right side must be equal, indicating a potential limitation in the formulation.
  • Another participant reiterates the transformation process and provides an example using specific coefficients to illustrate how the operator acts on a polynomial.

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Participants express differing views on the notation and the formulation of the operator, indicating that there is no consensus on the clarity of the problem or the exact nature of the transformation being discussed.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the specific values of the constants and the implications of assuming certain conditions, such as the equality of coefficients for \Phi to be a constant.

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Well, this problem is kinda dumb; it's in the GIF image file that I attached...
a,b,c,d,...,z are all real constants, and 'n' is natural; I was wondering if
such a function would exist...for the real constants a,b,c,d,...,z
(filename is polyprobgif.gif and sumformul.gif)
 

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How does it get to z?

Is it n-25 = 0 so zx^0 = z?
 
Of course. Let [itex]P_n(\mathbb{R})[/itex] be the space of polynomials of degree less than or equal to n with real coefficients. Since your notation is confusing, instead of a, b, c, ..., z being real constants, let's call them [itex]a_0, a_1, \dots , a_n[/itex]. Then f is an operator on [itex]P_n(\mathbb{R})[/itex] which maps a polynomial [itex]b_nx^n + b_{n - 1}x^{n - 1} + \dots + b_0[/itex] to [itex]a_nb_nx^n + \dots + a_0b_0[/itex].
 
What would be the equation/formula for this function? By the way, can there exist some value 'phi' whose product with the sum will yield this series? <<the attached file phigif.gif has the problem>>--what would be the formula to get the value of phi (possibly some math operations with a,b,c,d,e,f...?)?
 

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Your notation is still confusing, is n=25? If that's not what you mean, have a look at AKG's post and the use of subscripts to deal with an arbitrary number of coefficients.

You have [tex]\Phi(x)f(x)=g(x)[/tex] (can I assume your dot means multiply?) and you want to find [tex]\Phi(x)[/tex]. Just take [tex]{\mbox\Phi(x)=g(x)/f(x)}[/tex] for x not a zero of f, whatever you like at the zeros of f, and hope that all the zeros of f are also zeros of g.

edit-You said "value of [tex]\Phi[/tex]" multiple times, if you were hoping that [tex]\Phi[/tex] was a constant (and not dependent on x) then I should say you'd need all the coefficients on the right to be equal (otherwise it's impossible). Then take [tex]\Phi[/tex] to be this common value.
 
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Could you please clarify what you're asking? You're asking for a function f such that:

[tex]f(b_nx^n + b_{n - 1}x^{n - 1} + \dots + b_0) = a_nb_nx^n + a_{n - 1}b_{n - 1}x^{n - 1} + \dots + a_0b_0,[/tex]

where, in your example,

[tex]b_n = b_{n - 1} = \dots = b_0 = 1[/tex]

and

[tex]a_n = a,\ a_{n - 1} = b,\ a_{n - 2} = c,\ a_0 = z?[/tex]

Is this not what you're asking? If so, then I've already given the answer:

[tex]f(b_nx^n + \dots + b_0) = a_nb_nx^n + \dots + a_0b_0[/tex]

This function takes its argument from the space of n degree (or less) polynomials with real coefficients, and returns another polynomial from the same space but with different coefficients. It is a linear operator. If we choose

[tex]\{x^n,\ x^{n - 1},\ \dots ,\ x,\ 1\}[/tex]

to be a basis of our space, then we can express polynomials as vectors by their coefficients. So, we'd have:

[tex]f(b_n,\ b_{n - 1},\ \dots ,\ b_0) = (a_nb_n,\ a_{n - 1}b_{n - 1},\ \dots ,\ a_0b_0)[/tex]

Specifically, if we have the vector (polynomial) like the one in your example, namely, (1, 1, 1, ..., 1), then we get:

[tex]f(1,\ 1,\ 1,\ \dots ,\ 1) = (a_n,\ a_{n - 1},\ \dots ,\ a_0)[/tex]

Just like you wanted. Just recall that I'm replacing

[tex]a,\ b,\ c,\ d,\ \dots ,\ z[/tex]

with the less confusing

[tex]a_n,\ a_{n - 1},\ \dots ,\ a_0,[/tex]

since I assume you didn't mean for there to only be 26 numbers, just n of them.
 
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